Women vs Team Hulk

"infinite weight" being that book also lifted by CM?
Isn't it a book of infinite pages?

Durability? SS' best is probably T&A in the ridiculously high-end stuff, two Celestial-grade bruisers wailing away on him and he survives and has the stamina left to channel the Crunch energies (big bang energies).

Also, there's the fight with UniLord (a skyfather entity at the least) where he was smashed to pieces and atomised and he instantly reformed - repeatedly. Might not be durability, but it gives you an indication of stamina and the ability to take extreme physical attacks.

Personally, I think him trouncing Abomination, Skaar, one-handedly owning Rhino's charge and no-selling various Hulks (who have always been >= Thor with Mjolnir) are sufficient to put him in Superman's bracket. Even Pre-C Superman was rocked by Savage Hulk so, it's pretty impressive.

Surfer's combat speed is no different to his travel speed, as he can both perceive and move that that speed comfortably - he mapped whole star systems whilst flying at many times C.

What are Superman's quantifiable combat speeds? travel speeds?

Also, what's to suggest that Surfer won't just phase through his punches?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
What is the SS's best strength feat? Superman's is lifting infinite weight.

What's the SS's best durability feat? Superman's is surviving an explosion equal to 52 supernovas while weakened.

Travel speed is a wash.

Combat speed is a huge advantage to Superman, to the point where it's ridiculous to compare them.

I'm not sure if I fully agree with this, although I see the weight of your point. Reaction speeds have to be counted, and the Surfer can fly through a dense asteroid field at the speed of light or faster without hitting a pebble.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Thor, who himself is nowhere close to Superman physically.

Not that I'm bothered by it exactly, just that you suggested my position was 'wrong' because "most" of the forums would see it another way.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm not sure if I fully agree with this, although I see the weight of your point. Reaction speeds have to be counted, and the Surfer can fly through a dense asteroid field at the speed of light or faster without hitting a pebble.

I know when many Marvel characters are going FTL they go into "hyperspace", meaning they aren't in this spatial dimension, meaning they don't have to avoid objects necessarily.

Originally posted by janus77
you call it gall, I just call it stating the obvious.
KMC is pretty much a Thor and Thanos crowd, with the rabidness of the latter most obvious.

This manifests in an extreme 'sensitivity' to Hulk's performances in threads, using everything from mocking and baiting to pure ad hominem (Carver being the usual recipient of such bullying - even from certain mods).

It's the irrationality of the group-mind that really has made me pay attention, and at times prod/poke it with some calculated posts.

None of that is even remotely true.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well, I guess we just keep it moving. The Hulk's character will never allow him to go world breaker in a populace, but in some hellish who gives a fig about dimension... you see where I'm going? My guess is to keep it in character. Look at the Flash, he is at norm a High Herald due to his impossible speed, but he can go beyond those constraints. I mean who would be able to beat a guy that hit them with 1000 earth weights per second? Speed does equal mass. Crazy right?

And that's fine. "In character" is a perfectly acceptable solution.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Marvel's ALWAYS written SS physically very powerful? Really?

lol no, they haven't. Not in the sense that he'd be consistently on the level of the top brawlers, anyway.

Originally posted by janus77
you call it gall, I just call it stating the obvious.
KMC is pretty much a Thor and Thanos crowd, with the rabidness of the latter most obvious.

This manifests in an extreme 'sensitivity' to Hulk's performances in threads, using everything from mocking and baiting to pure ad hominem (Carver being the usual recipient of such bullying - even from certain mods).

It's the irrationality of the group-mind that really has made me pay attention, and at times prod/poke it with some calculated posts.

😂

How many hardcore Thor supporters does KMC have? By my count, five regular posters (I counted myself).

Thanos? Three adamant posters by my count.

Superman? About six.

Hulk? About six.

Wolverine? Three or four who could count as "regular".

So, yeah, your idea that KMC is "pro-Thanos/Thor" but "anti-Hulk" makes as much sense that the forum hates Superman, or that the forum is Marvel biased, or that there's a movement against any single character is based on nothing.

Christ, there's nothing more annoying than when people cry foul about the forum "hating" or being "unfair" to their favorite character, because from where I'm standing, pretty much every character has their own critics and fanboys with various volumes.

Originally posted by janus77
Really? Do you think Most of the forum would accept that assessment?
Because I think it would be seen as quite ridiculous by most of the forum.

Not that I'm bothered by it exactly, just that you suggested my position was 'wrong' because "most" of the forums would see it another way.

I remember even RageofOlympus admitted Superman was stronger than Thor, though he disagreed with me to the degree of the gap. I think most people familiar with both characters would agree Superman is stronger and more durable, though Thor has a good edge in energy manipulation. It's not even debatable when it comes to feats that Superman is stronger than Thor, though the degree to which he is stronger is definitely debatable, I happen to think he's at least twice as strong, though I'm sure plenty of people would disagree with that assessment. Like I said, I admitted I was biased to a point, and like I said, most people here are. I just found it funny you called Pr biased, when you yourself are, as Pr seems like one of the least biased people on this site.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I know when many Marvel characters are going FTL they go into "hyperspace", meaning they aren't in this spatial dimension, meaning they don't have to avoid objects necessarily.

No he has actually done this without going hyper-spacial. The Surfer's power cosmic/cosmic awareness makes this possible for him, and that being said he could conceivably catch Superman's punch while he was fighting at hyper speeds. Kind of how Exiles Surfer caught Gladiator's punch with a smile. Don't ask me how that cosmic awareness power works fully, cause it's pretty wonky if you ask me.

If Superman was in Marvel, and went rogue, I could see the Surfer clipping his wings, as well as mostly any other Herald level character. Like Janus said, he was given so many powers that it's hard to beat him outside of being a metaphysical character like Thanos. TBH though, I think that most mystics would be his downfall, and would give a guy like Black Adam the win over Norrin before I gave Superman the win, due to magic trumping science. May be just me though (shrugs).

So.....Team Hulk wins, yes?

Superman isn't two time stronger than Thor. Get that out of here.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman isn't two time stronger than Thor. Get that out of here.

How many times stronger than Thor is WWH in your opinion?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
How many times stronger than Thor is WWH in your opinion?

Bad question. At base Thor is stronger than the Green Scar, but as you know the Hulk does not have a static level, and could conceivably go far past being only 2x Thor's strength. I would say that if Superman was a 100, Thor would be a 75-80 at regular non amplified warrior madness levels, or sun dipped levels.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman isn't two time stronger than Thor. Get that out of here.

Finally.

WWH has no strength feats that put him past "normal" holding back Superman.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
WWH has no strength feats that put him past "normal" holding back Superman.

Let me get this straight. When you say WW Hulk, are you speaking of the Mini, or how far he went up during HOTM? Thor was not in this level, nor is Superman. A punch that makes planets explode is clearly a solid Trans level character feat.

Superman has shattered reality with his punches. HoTM I would call WBH.

Originally posted by Stoic
Bad question. At base Thor is stronger than the Green Scar, but as you know the Hulk does not have a static level, and could conceivably go far past being only 2x Thor's strength. I would say that if Superman was a 100, Thor would be a 75-80 at regular non amplified warrior madness levels, or sun dipped levels.

I disagree with this Stoic. At base strength, I would put green scar at or above elite tier strength. Amplfied, I would put him above any Herald. Same with Savage Hulk. There isn't a single ft that suggest he starts below elite tier strength.

I would put Superman at 100 and Thor at 95.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Superman has shattered reality with his punches. HoTM I would call WBH.

Ultraman or Doomsday didn't shatter reality and I think they are both on Superman level.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
WWH has no strength feats that put him past "normal" holding back Superman.

Why doesn't he? WWH punched Sentry, an elite Herald in the face and busted it up with a single punch. I can't ee any other Herald accomplishing this.

I would put them as such:

Superman: 100
Thor: 85
Hulk: Anywhere from 70-120
Iron Fist: ∞