I don't consider those fights near even. Who do you think Diana could split even with outta the high herald class? Forum environ, cis off, best of abilities type bout.
Yes, well, you might not consider them near-even, but may I remind you that Wonder Woman won in some of them? So your opinion might be somewhat counter-factual.
Lesse, she's beaten Zolomon Zoom, High Herald. Wally Flash, ditto (she tends to roll speedsters in general). Beat Sinetrso, he's High Herald. Circe's trans and Diana gets regular wins. Genocide's trans and they split. Queen of Fables is at least trans and again regular wins.
What has she done to make her hh? a mind controlled Clark/ holding back Clark don't count
I will note that Clark was specifically not holding back in Sacrifice, and he was using his powers tactically and in forum-style (Start the fight with a full-speed charge to throw her into the sun while blasting heatvision. That's one of the most CIS-less fights he's ever had, topped possibly only by the Elite fight, and a bit better than even OWAW). The only thing Max did was make her appear to be a foe to destroy in his mind, but that didn't even prevent Superman from doing smart stuff like dodging the lasso. And after they both inflicted major damage on each other she cut his throat in the end.
Also, Circe once *amped* his strength and filled him with rage and she fought him that time too, ending with a lassoing (despite her lasso being stolen at the start of the fight). So yea, he wasn't fighting as normal Superman that time... but tell me that form isn't High Herald and I'll laugh.
And, y'know, those other HHs she's fought. Did I mention she's beaten Sinestro? Because she has.
One-shotting Supergirl with a punch is also something I think only a High Herald can do (in Supergirl's own series, no less).
and ss is not a brawler he's a blaster.
I'll just note being a blaster isn't particularly good against Wonder Woman- her bracers can no-sell trans level energy blasts. In fact, they've never been breached by anything ever.
When Surfer wins, it'll be because he uses his more exotic ability uses. If he fights like a strait forward zapper like he does sometimes, there's trouble.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Dude her gear is her only saving grace..... Please elaborate
While her gear is uber, let's not forget she has higher reflexes/hand to hand speed than Superman and is probably the most skilled herald in HtH period.
Got some healing factor in her too, flight, very high anti-impact durability (after Sacrifice, she fought more herald-level foes an hour or two later), some moon/planet towing...
I mean, her normal gear is probably what puts her into High Herald. It's the hax of the gear, the lasso's abilities, the Bracer's unbreakable defense, and the tiara's ability to cut even high heralds and gods easily, that puts her over the top, but sans gear she is still rather powerful.
Non gear, mid-herald. Normal gear, high herald. Full gear (armor, sword, gauntlet), trans.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Wonder Woman is in the same boat as Beta ray Bill, Nova Prime and Black Bolt shes not a legit high herald
If I remember right, in previous threads will all three of those it was concluded Diana would win. Definitely Nova and BB.
And those're some of the strongest mid-heralds.
