Women vs Team Hulk

Diana was at the mercy of an inexpierenced sinestro clone when hercules saved her, she never oneshotted supergirl, only caught zoom with a surprise which is PIS, Circe didn't amp superman just gave "his rage physical form" as bones and she herself said that superman could've killed her with two more *blocked* punches, superman punched her only once in sacrifice and ktfo her, superman is faster than her altogether whether mcduffie liked it or not, a *blocked* martian vision attack nearly killed her etc. Oh and wonder woman fangirls are the worst liers on battleboards.

Being less powerful than Superman hardly means she's not a high herald.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Being less powerful than Superman hardly means she's not a high herald.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What about far less powerful?

Still doesn't mean she's not a high herald.

Diana's mid-herald normally.

Glad I solved that.

she never oneshotted supergirl,

She punched Supergirl and she went down.

only caught zoom with a surprise which is PIS,

She 'caught him by surprise' by, strait on and in his sight, kicking a bunch of rocks at him at high speed and then lassoing him while he was dodging?

That's not PIS, that's tactics.

Circe didn't amp superman just gave "his rage physical form"

She gave his rage physical form and he grew physically more muscular and got hard bones, and that's not a physical amp?

superman punched her only once in sacrifice and ktfo her,

WW was out for such a short time that he couldn't actually take advantage of it, and at one point she kicked him and left him down for long enough that she was able to just stand there for a bit and gather herself.

He did get other attacks on her like heat-vision to the face, frost breath, grabbing, etc..

And WW won that fight. For that brief KO he was not actually fast enough to do anything with it, whereas Wonder Woman had him actually helpless and bleeding from the neck at the end.

superman is faster than her altogether whether mcduffie liked it or not,

Wonder Woman has higher reflex feats to begin with (the Zoom thing, the fight with Wally), and you noted herself she hit Superman more when they fought than vice-versa. McDuffie's thing there is not only canon, but consistent with feats.

a *blocked* martian vision attack nearly killed her

Don't know that one but she's taken out martians in her time too.

Oh and wonder woman fangirls are the worst liers on battleboards.

Nah, that'd be the downplayers.

"Oh, Wonder Woman regularly fights on even terms with Superman in a variety of circumstances and does quite well, with zero actual losses and at least one win. Plus she has high-powered villains, plus she's fought a good number of other herald level enemies. No-way can she be a high herald."

She's got the feats for it, she's got the abilities, she's got the record, just get over your hangups.

Originally posted by Q99
She gave his rage physical form and he grew physically more muscular and got hard bones, and that's not a physical amp?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Seems more like he got horny

*Rimshot*

Originally posted by Q99
I will note that Clark was specifically not holding back in Sacrifice, and he was using his powers tactically and in forum-style (Start the fight with a full-speed charge to throw her into the sun while blasting heatvision. That's one of the most CIS-less fights he's ever had, topped possibly only by the Elite fight, and a bit better than even OWAW). The only thing Max did was make her appear to be a foe to destroy in his mind, but that didn't even prevent Superman from doing smart stuff like dodging the lasso. And after they both inflicted major damage on each other she cut his throat in the end.

No.

Sacrifice cannot be used as an indicator of forum/full capacity Superman, as he was mentally compromised, something both the comic and the writer stated clearly.

That, and the completely contradictory way in which he fought should be enough evidence of it being unusable.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Diana's mid-herald normally.

Glad I solved that.

Apparently if you say that, you're sexist.

I'm a pretty adamant Diana supporter - hell, I repped her in a tournament before - but she is what she is, and that's an extremely competent mid-herald with the tools to be able to hang with almost anyone for an extended period of time.

On the note of Sacrifice, it's an impressive fight and feat for her. But, to be fair, she battled a crazed and bloodlusted Superman, who while is definitely more dangerous than a normal Superman, isn't the same as fighting a bloodlusted Superman who knows he's fighting Diana (and not Doomsday).

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Originally posted by iceman24567

I freakin love the UK version of Being Human.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No.

Sacrifice cannot be used as an indicator of forum/full capacity Superman, as he was mentally compromised, something both the comic and the writer stated clearly.

That, and the completely contradictory way in which he fought should be enough evidence of it being unusable.

Contradictory? How so? He fought aggressively throughout, and as I noted, using his powers together better than normal. The only time he didn't was when he was looking for her or was injured, and she took advantage of that.

He may have used somewhat different tactics normally... but different tactics don't reduce his massive power.

JakeTheBank
On the note of Sacrifice, it's an impressive fight and feat for her. But, to be fair, she battled a crazed and bloodlusted Superman, who while is definitely more dangerous than a normal Superman, isn't the same as fighting a bloodlusted Superman who knows he's fighting Diana (and not Doomsday).

One thing I'll note, for someone who was supposedly thinking they were fighting Doomsday, he seemed awfully on-guard about lassos.

Also to the point- does anyone here think that version of him was not High Herald?

"He fights slightly differently while wielding Superman's no-hold-back strength, therefore he drops a whole rung"?

Yes he fought differently, but he also did not fight stupidly (unlike the Circe-fied one. Who's also HH in power), using his powers in combination, and 'fighting a bit differently' does not mean 'doesn't count at all,' it just means he counts as a somewhat different HH high-power fighter.

Originally posted by Q99
Contradictory? How so? He fought aggressively throughout, and as I noted, using his powers together better than normal. The only time he didn't was when he was looking for her or was injured, and she took advantage of that.

He may have used somewhat different tactics normally... but different tactics don't reduce his massive power.

One thing I'll note, for someone who was supposedly thinking they were fighting Doomsday, he seemed awfully on-guard about lassos.

Also to the point- does anyone here think that version of him was not High Herald?

"He fights slightly differently while wielding Superman's no-hold-back strength, therefore he drops a whole rung"?

Yes he fought differently, but he also did not fight stupidly (unlike the Circe-fied one. Who's also HH in power), using his powers in combination, and 'fighting a bit differently' does not mean 'doesn't count at all,' it just means he counts as a somewhat different HH high-power fighter.

Because in the examples you even stated (OWAW/Elite) Superman is shown to be at his most effective when he's completely in control, not some raging monster.

They weren't his most effective tactics, and Rucka himself stated that Superman was "out of his mind with grief".

That, along with Lord in his head, makes it invalid as evidence of Superman at his best.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Because in the examples you even stated (OWAW/Elite) Superman is shown to be at his most effective when he's completely in control, not some raging monster.

Except he wasn't fighting just as a raging monster, he was still thinking of his next moves... and even used more power-combinations than he did during OWAW (most of what he did against the probes was merely not-holding-back-strength + using heatvision to seal wounds. He opened up on WW with not-holding-back strength, rapid-fire heat vision, aimed to throw her into the sun, and high-power heat vision once grappled to throw in another potential game-winner while on the way to the sun).

That he was overcome with grief doesn't mean we get to ignore what he did and how he was fighting.

His only real mistake was being overly aggressive which gave Diana openings- but someone who's just as strong as Superman bit a bit overly aggressive is not mid-herald, and is actually still one of the higher showings of Superman in terms of power-usage.

That, along with Lord in his head, makes it invalid as evidence of Superman at his best.

It just means that it was an encounter with Superman at his full power and with good usage of powers but his not-quite-best tactically.

Which... is still really, really impressive to beat, even if barely.

One thing off doesn't mean you toss an encounter out entirely, it just means you take it for what it was, and it was still a fight with someone who was not only acting as a High Herald but well into the high heralds.

Originally posted by Q99
Except he wasn't fighting just as a raging monster, he was still thinking of his next moves... and even used more power-combinations than he did during OWAW (most of what he did against the probes was merely not-holding-back-strength + using heatvision to seal wounds. He opened up on WW with not-holding-back strength, rapid-fire heat vision, aimed to throw her into the sun, and high-power heat vision once grappled to throw in another potential game-winner while on the way to the sun).

That he was overcome with grief doesn't mean we get to ignore what he did and how he was fighting.

His only real mistake was being overly aggressive which gave Diana openings- but someone who's just as strong as Superman bit a bit overly aggressive is not mid-herald, and is actually still one of the higher showings of Superman in terms of power-usage.

It just means that it was an encounter with Superman at his full power and with good usage of powers but his not-quite-best tactically.

Which... is still really, really impressive to beat, even if barely.

One thing off doesn't mean you toss an encounter out entirely, it just means you take it for what it was, and it was still a fight with someone who was not only acting as a High Herald but well into the high heralds.

He was mentally compromised. It's been in the forum rules that we don't use a character that is mentally compromised as being an accurate representation of how well they could do in a fight.

People like to claim that this Superman was some uber version of the character, when it wasn't.

and no, incidentally I don't agree with your interpretation of the comic.

I do think that "Sacrifice Supes" was more dangerous than normal Superman and was definitely high herald in status and power.

I don't, however, think that was Superman at his best.

I think that's a pretty fair stance.

Add Zatanna and it's a stomp for the women ("lkuH trever ot rennaB"😉

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Add Zatanna and it's a stomp for the women ("lkuH trever ot rennaB"😉

Is Zatanna actually in this thread?

No lol, Colossus just has a thing for Z, and Plastic Man.