Orion vs Blue Marvel (hth/slugfest)

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The harness aint gonna get wrecked just like that. It has taken powerful blasts many times. The only way I see it getting busted is if BM targets it directly.

Why wouldn't he? Adam appears to be a very intelligent science type. If I were BM that would be the first thing that I would go for in order to tip the odds in my favor. Once done delivering a floater punch like he did to Bob would give him a decisive advantage. He would have air dominance, or at least he should if that were to happen.

Originally posted by Golgo13
It takes only a moment to reform, so no biggie.

A moment has a price tag on it, and at times can be more expensive than others. BM isn't a slowpoke.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Orion has no gear for this fight

So both will be grounded or BM has flight? It would be unfair if BM keeps his flight because Orion's Astro gear is a staple of his powerset and is what gives him flight.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why wouldn't he? Adam appears to be a very intelligent science type. If I were BM that would be the first thing that I would go for in order to tip the odds in my favor. Once done delivering a floater punch like he did to Bob would give him a decisive advantage. He would have air dominance, or at least he should if that were to happen.

A moment has a price tag on it, and at times can be more expensive than others. BM isn't a slowpoke.

Not someone who is a better fighter. Orion is.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So both will be grounded or BM has flight? It would be unfair if BM keeps his flight because Orion's Astro gear is a staple of his powerset and is what gives him flight.

I guess this is just a fight of what God has given them, and no outside help of any kind. You can't really nerf BM, or rob him of his natural gifts, just because Orion can't get around like BM can you? I don't see it as being unfair. BM would win this most likely.

Is BM stats much higher than Superman's? Because Orion has stalemated him before.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Is BM stats much higher than Superman's? Because Orion has stalemated him before.

That's really an unknown, but Adam does have all of this to bring to the table.

* Superhuman Strength: Blue Marvel possesses vast superhuman strength that is on par with Sentry.

* Superhuman Speed and Reflexes: Blue Marvel possesses the ability to think, move, and react at superhuman speeds.

* Superhuman Stamina: Blue Marvel possesses highly efficient musculature which produces almost no fatigue toxins, granting him almost limitless stamina in all physical activities.

* Flight: Blue Marvel flies by manipulation of gravitons, manipulation of magnetic fields, control of his absolute molecular movement, and utilizing his superhuman speed. Blue Marvel can fly far beyond supersonic speeds, but it is unknown if he can achieve nearly the speed of light.

* Superhuman Senses: Blue Marvel possesses superhuman senses of sight, smell, taste, touch, and hearing.

* Enhanced Mental Perception: Blue Marvel possesses the ability to sense & comprehend things on levels that far exceed human capabilities.

* Invulnerability: Blue Marvel seems to possess nigh-invulnerability & durability, being capable of withstanding tremendous impact forces, exposure to temperature and pressure extremes, and powerful energy blasts without sustaining injury. He is even capable of surviving in the vacuum of space unaided.

* Regenerative Healing Factor: Despite his nigh invulnerability to injury, it is possible to injure Blue Marvel. If injured, his body is capable of quickly repairing damaged tissue with much greater speed and efficiency than the normal human body.

* Energy Generation: Blue Marvel has the ability to generate and control negative matter energy based on antimatter. He can manipulate this energy for various effects. - Creating energy constructs.
* According to Brashear he is a stable "antimatter reactor", but from his broader explanation what he appears to do is channel exotic particles generated by a stable event horizon caused by the interaction of opposing positive matter and negative matter (Negative Zone) universes. Because Brashear has retained his abilities all this time, it would seem that either the specific generative reaction, that granted him his powers continues at an unseen or subatomic level in the facility where he first gained his abilities, or exotic particles generated by the experiment somehow became quantum entangled with Brashear.

* Adam Brashear holds a PhD in Theoretical Physics, and a Bachelor of Science degree in Electrical Engineering from Cornell University.

He isn't a light weight.

Energy based powers is irrelevant, since this is only a hth fight. I take Orion, because he's a better fighter. And has stalemated the ultimate brick, who is Superman. And on more than one occasion.

The Dog of War; don't see BM as being on that level right now.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Energy based powers is irrelevant, since this is only a hth fight. I take Orion, because he's a better fighter. And has stalemated the ultimate brick, who is Superman. And on more than one occasion.

Take who you want to, but the idea of Orion being hit with a floater exists, and if he is knocked up into space like Sentry was, it would only be a matter of time before the deep sleep falls on Orion. Adam isn't a bad fighter due to his Marine training. this is why i give him the nod here.

Orion has healing and has fought inside the Fire pits, which is a LOT hotter than the sun. He'll be ok.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Orion has healing and has fought inside the Fire pits, which is a LOT hotter than the sun. He'll be ok.

Orion can and has been hurt, so it's not impossible when you consider who he would be facing here. I can see him winning, but it's not out of the question for BM to win either. You know that BM has a healing factor as well right?

Yes, I never said BM couldn't win, but Orion has the experience, fighting ability, and feats to put him in the majority category.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Yes, I never said BM couldn't win, but Orion has the experience, fighting ability, and feats to put him in the majority category.

Nah. BM was written to be a seasoned combatant that has the advantage of actually being able to fly, and he's very smart to boot.

Just hth fight and Superman can fly, too and Orion still stalemated him.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Just hth fight and Superman can fly, too and Orion still stalemated him.

I bet that if Superman went all out, like he did when he fought Doomsday, or Darkseid that he would turn Orion to paste. Yes this is a H2H battle but if Orion is lifted up into space by a punch there is no way that he could win this. He would be tagged with unanswerable hits, and eventually pass out from this being a nearly one sided match. Not sure if that's logical or not, but it seems to work for me. Let's step out of this favoritism mode, and look at it openly. If they both appeared on the scene together, and I saw BM's abilities vs Orions without any gear, i would go with BM. The lead weight that Firestorm placed on him doesn't help his case either. I think that it was perhaps a low to mid showing for Orion, but somewhere in all of that there must be a median.

Superman did kind of go all out when he was brainwashed and wanting to kill Orion. Orion holds back plenty as well.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Superman did kind of go all out when he was brainwashed and wanting to kill Orion. Orion holds back plenty as well.

Orion is no Superman, he would not win if Kal went blood red on him like he did with Darkseid. This does not make him a wimp, just not on Superman's level. Do you think that if Orion and Darkseid had a no holds barred ass kicking match that Orion would do him the way Big Blue did? Again Orion is not Superman, if Kal was punched into space he would be able to return under his own power, Orion would not. Well at least not right away. You need to stop bringing kal up, because he would not be nearly helpless in space while being tagged by a speedster that can fly.

History disagrees with ya.

Originally posted by dmills
When the BM stopped that asteroid the size of Arkansas, the vibrations shook all of collective comicdom and ko'd Superman in the DC verse. Every version.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was nova fool. He koed the dead nova.

Nova tanked it sneer