Orion for the majority.
Blue Marvel is impressive, probably the best Marvel Superman clone (Hyperion has to many versions, Sentry was emo and schizo and Glads is usually out of Earth and has the whole confidense thing)
BUT Orion has gone h2h with Supes many times (some of them no holds barred) and Supes NEVER put Orion down, or seemed to have the clear upper hand.
I do believe that Orion has the best record against Superaman as far as "heroes" go in DC (If someone knows better please inform)
Plus Orion might not be fast in terms of traveling speed on his own, but he is more than fast enough to react in h2h.
To sum up Orion is on top of the DC food chain as far as herald level characters go, even when including Supes (IMO).
He'd beat Blue Marvel like he has Supes before.
Originally posted by carver9
He faster, he IS stronger (I have seen Orion fail to lift things that blue Marvel would lift with his pinky toe), skill, you MIGHT have an argument there. I think Blue Marvel punch harder though.
please don't bring up that lead bs. How is he faster? And no.. Orion prolly has more skill in his pinky toe than BM has as a whole.
Originally posted by comicfan11
Orion for the majority.Blue Marvel is impressive, probably the best Marvel Superman clone (Hyperion has to many versions, Sentry was emo and schizo and Glads is usually out of Earth and has the whole confidense thing)
BUT Orion has gone h2h with Supes many times (some of them no holds barred) and Supes NEVER put Orion down, or seemed to have the clear upper hand.
I do believe that Orion has the best record against Superaman as far as "heroes" go in DC (If someone knows better please inform)
Plus Orion might not be fast in terms of traveling speed on his own, but he is more than fast enough to react in h2h.
To sum up Orion is on top of the DC food chain as far as herald level characters go, even when including Supes (IMO).
He'd beat Blue Marvel like he has Supes before.
Everything that you stated here is based on how well Orion stands up to Superman, but it is still baseless, and an assumption. I can do the same thing, and say that the team that BM should have and could have stomped would have wrecked Superman, or Orion. While on the other hand BM was trying to talk it out with them. Skill for skill. BM is a competent fighter based on his marine training. Never once was he ever shown as being inept in battle, so to draw upon that saying that he's a rookie is wrong. It does not take 1000 yrs to become a master martial artist, in fact BM has lived long enough to be a grandmaster of several styles.
BM can fly without some harness.
In terms of speed, BM has this in the bag
Strength going by showings BM is stronger, (Firestorm and the lead block?) wasn't Orion trapped in a titanium box? When does an average get drawn? Orion doesn't become stronger with anger, that's the other guy.
Having the ability to one shot Sentry, while hanging back to explain himself shows that BM is the top of the food chain here, because I can see that team giving Orion or Superman the business.
Sorry but for any argument that can be given that Orion takes this, there's one that can be argued that BM can take it.
Adam does seem to have an extra gear. I don't know if its him doing something with antimatter or what, but when he gets the blue glow thing going people get ktfo.
Unfortunately for Adam, Orion has the "toe to toe" with Superman thing going for him, so kmc logic dictates that BM couldn't possibly ko Orion, never mind that that kind of thing happens in comics all of the time. Ultra powerful character A goes toe to toe with ultra powerful character B only to get beat by ultra powerful new comer C.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Orion is vastly more skilled, likely faster in h2h, and hits like a whale dickHim.
You ever get hit by a whale dick? None of the Avengers team that he fought were rookies, and yet BM wasn't going full throttle. He could have, and if he did chances are very high that after he got rid of Bob that he would have cleaned up the rest. After all anyone capable of one shot KOing Sentry is more than capable of doing the same to Wonder Man, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, and the rest of the lower powered hero's that were on the scene.
Since BFR is off, and Orion is not allowed to use the mother box, or the harness, does BM stand there motionless after he floats Orion like he did to Sentry? As for battle speed you have to prove that Orion is faster, stronger, and vastly more skilled.
Originally posted by StoicImpressive.
You ever get hit by a whale dick? None of the Avengers team that he fought were rookies, and yet BM wasn't going full throttle. He could have, and if he did chances are very high that after he got rid of Bob that he would have cleaned up the rest. After all anyone capable of one shot KOing Sentry is more than capable of doing the same to Wonder Man, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, and the rest of the lower powered hero's that were on the scene.Since BFR is off, and Orion is not allowed to use the mother box, or the harness, does BM stand there motionless after he floats Orion like he did to Sentry? As for battle speed you have to prove that Orion is faster, stronger, and vastly more skilled.
Orion was beating Darkseid in h2h until Darkseid broke the rules and used his OB's, which hit Darkseid. (skill/strength/reaction feat)
Orion was reacting to Insane Lightray, and beat the absolute shit out of him. A Lightray who was using his speed.
Blue Marvel flash KO'ing a questionably jawed Sentry (at the time) isn't better than getting the upper hand on Darkseid.
Reacts to Mister Miracle Black Racer traveling faster than light. He had the ALE at the time, but the ALE was never shown to upgrade his powers.
http://i50.tinypic.com/20609dl.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/2lnbgk1.jpg
Blitzes a large amount of Darkseid's elite in a comatose state:
http://imageshack.us/f/69/orion1807.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/718/orion1808.jpg/
There's more, but that should suffice. Blue Marvel's feats of skill and battle speed if you may?
I never said stronger btw.
Originally posted by dmillsWhat about doing relatively well against Sun amped Superman?
Unfortunately for Adam, Orion has the "toe to toe" with Superman thing going for him, so kmc logic dictates that BM couldn't possibly ko Orion, never mind that that kind of thing happens in comics all of the time. Ultra powerful character A goes toe to toe with ultra powerful character B only to get beat by ultra powerful new comer C.
You know, Ultimo Superman.
Superman standing near sun:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/SupesMOT-13-01.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/SupesMOT-13-02-03.jpg
Orion vs Superman:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/SupesMOT-13-14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/SupesMOT-13-15.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/SupesMOT-13-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/SupesMOT-13-17.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/SupesMOT-13-18.jpg
Superman confirmed he was amped:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/SupesMOT-13-21.jpg
And it's not like this is an outlier with Orion's history either. He's usually written pretty damned high. Better when the only affairs in Mortal stuff is solely with Superman.
It comes down to this, should we delete his numerous numerous fights against Superman/Darkseid where he does extremely well as well as many many other great feats because he got jobbed out against Doomsday, Kalibak/Firestorm, and both him and Supes jobbed to Shaggy Man, because you don't feel he should be judged solely by his Superman fights which many people who don't know a lot about Orion are prone to do?
Unfornunately this many fights against Superman isn't an accident. And the characters in DC like Orion/Marvel/others are proven to be Superman level, as opposed to simple Superman clones in Marvel we feel should be. They aren't just "I fought Superman" characters either, they have a good history with high level feats.
As well as Orion slaughters Nova.
