Sasuke (current) vs. Goku (at any stage)

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I will say this, if one believes an attacks overall power purely by it's explosive output, then of course one would think that Raditz is weaker than Sasuke. However, they would be believing in an incomplete picture. For example, the actual technique Piccolo used to kill both Raditz & Goku simultaneously was a piercing attack, rather than an explosive one.

I however, am of the personal belief that the Naruto High enders may break the Raditz hurdle, not due to overall power, because anyone trying to physically overpower Raditz, or clash energy levels with him, would get beaten down horribly. They are not going to beat Raditz in a slugfest. His physical power, his energy manip, and his high end speed COMBINED, make him a powerhouse that is an out-of-context foe. However, they can win using their more esoteric techniques. Hax abilities that can bypass Raditz's strengths are quite common in Naruto.

The problem becomes exasperated exponentially the further one delves into DBZ/Movies/GT. Now, last time I did a thread like this, Naruto characters could not break the Nappa wall according to most people, and that was 2012. Currently, I think they may breach the Nappa wall, but they either get stopped solidly by Vegeta, or if not by that point, you then have guys like Qui, Dodorian, Zarbon, and the Ginyus...

If I am going to be extremely lenient, I would give Naruto characters, at most up to Recoome, who demolishes any Naruto character 1-on-1 despite being dumb as a bag of hammers. There is only so far hax abilities would work before they can get overpowered by sheer speed, power and fighting talent, and Recoome was single handedly pushing in Vegeta's and Krillin's shit, before breaking Gohan's neck with an ankle kick.

Back in 2012, that was indeed a correct assessment of Naruto. Now the strongest person from that verse could take Nappa on solo due to actually having a better power output beyond just exploding attacks. Right now I'd say Waitangi Saga Vegeta is the weakest character to solo the Narutoverse.

That's way too lenient. Anyone past the 10k power levels would indeed steamroll the Narutoverse effortlessly. The Narutoverse isn't past Saiyan Saga, but they've cleared the Raditz barrier 2/3 years ago.

dc isnt everything... dragonball z fighters are rather one dimensional they are just martial artists they have no defense against hax nor can they cast anything close to it

They do have abilities against Hax. What are you talking about?

End of DB Goku stomps.

Originally posted by carver9
They do have abilities against Hax. What are you talking about?

how can goku get out of kotoamatsukami

It depends on if Sasuke gets the chance to use said attack. Goku was pretty fast during that era. Roshi was able to casually catch bullets out of the air and he was a chump to someone like Kami...the same Kami who said he was unable to detect Goku with his Godly eyes.

Originally posted by carver9
It depends on if Sasuke gets the chance to use said attack. Goku was pretty fast during that era. Roshi was able to casually catch bullets out of the way and he was a chump to someone like Kami...the same Kami who said he was unable to detect Goku with his Godly eyes.

thats not a defense against the attack. What can goku do to get out of kotoamatsukami

sasuke cant cast koto amatsukami but im just using this jutsu as an example

Originally posted by chasedown
thats not a defense against the attack. What can goku do to get out of kotoamatsukami

sasuke cant cast koto amatsukami but im just using this jutsu as an example

Power through it like he does every trick/hax that was used against him. It probably won't work since Goku would be too powerful for it.

Also, why are you bringing up abilities that has nothing to do with this thread?

Originally posted by carver9
End of DB Goku stomps.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
No he doesn't, Sasuke outright has better feats dc/hax/ even his own teleportation tech. Unless you want to argue everyone had "moon busting" durability at that point.

No telling what Goku had during that point durability wise since someone like Roshi wouldn't be able to hurt him.

What speed fts does Sasuke have? His teleportation is a thought based move. I feel safe at saying Goku could cover the distance before he got that move off.

He's not slow enough to be blitzed by Goku if that's what you're trying to get at. By the end of DB Sasuke could react and either block melee with Susanoo or port away from any big techs. Plus Goku at this point would have no defense for Amateratsu coated blows.

Sasuke has reacted to being flash frozen and ported to other dimensions spontaneously.

Juubi's BD was calced to be Mach 4k, and high tiers like Sasuke would be in that speed range.

Originally posted by carver9
Power through it like he does every trick/hax that was used against him. It probably won't work since Goku would be too powerful for it.

Also, why are you bringing up abilities that has nothing to do with this thread?

one goku wouldnt even know he was under it because the jutsu rewrites codes in your brain. two you cant just power out of genjutsu.

also sasuke can teleport at ease and the sharingan helps him percieve movements blitzing him isnt gonna happen

Originally posted by chasedown
one goku wouldnt even know he was under it because the jutsu rewrites codes in your brain. two you cant just power out of genjutsu.

also sasuke can teleport at ease and the sharingan helps him percieve movements blitzing him isnt gonna happen

No need to continue talking about that attack since Sasuke cant use it.

He probably can teleport with ease but can he do it before getting blitzed?

Who's the fastest person Sasuke perceived with his eyes? Also, how is he hurting Goku? Goku tanked a blast that nearly annihilated an island. A nuke like attack. And he tanked it without a scratch or a sign of injury.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Juubi's BD was calced to be Mach 4k, and high tiers like Sasuke would be in that speed range.

Originally posted by BloodRain
To note on that, Freiza's death beams are calced at Mach 300+.

How fast are machine gun bullets? Also, where are you getting the calculations for of the BD attack? Scans.

I wouldn't rank Frieza attack slower than attacks that made it out if orbit near instantly but Z fighters being able to detect it.

Originally posted by carver9
No need to continue talking about that attack since Sasuke cant use it.

He probably can teleport with ease but can he do it before getting blitzed?

Who's the fastest person Sasuke perceived with his eyes? Also, how is he hurting Goku? Goku tanked a blast that nearly annihilated an island. A nuke like attack. And he tanked it without a scratch or a sign of injury.

any genjutsu for the matter would at least slow goku down or stop him in his tracks for a little bit... we know this because babidi's mind control attempt had vegeta on his knees.. z fighters are definitely susceptible to mental attacks.

sasuke has percieved and reacted to teleportation blitzing isnt gonna happen

Originally posted by carver9
How fast are machine gun bullets? Also, where are you getting the calculations for of the BD attack? Scans.

I wouldn't rank Frieza attack slower than attacks that made it out if orbit near instantly but Z fighters being able to detect it.

Gimme a sec. I can find the Naruto one with the 4k, but its building on a previous calc I have yet to find yet.

Originally posted by chasedown
any genjutsu for the matter would at least slow goku down or stop him in his tracks for a little bit... we know this because babidi's mind control attempt had vegeta on his knees.. z fighters are definitely susceptible to mental attacks.

sasuke has percieved and reacted to teleportation blitzing isnt gonna happen

Scans of reacting to teleportation. Blitzing doesn't matter since none of them are faster than Z fighters.

Originally posted by carver9
Scans of reacting to teleportation. Blitzing doesn't matter since none of them are faster than Z fighters.

dude arent you the one who said they could bitz sasuke what are you talking about.

did you not read the kaguya fight there was teleportation all through it