Originally posted by chasedown
dude arent you the one who said they could bitz sasuke what are you talking about.did you not read the kaguya fight there was teleportation all through it
I'm asking you to show me Sasuke reacting, not Goku. You said Sasuke reacted to teleportation on a fight. I would like to see it.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm asking you to show me Sasuke reacting, not Goku. You said Sasuke reacted to teleportation on a fight. I would like to see it.
i gotta look for it cuz idr the chapter but from what i remember kaguya has attmpt to attack using teleportation and sasuke reacted
hell madara has reacted to telportation when the 4th tried to blitz him and sasuke's eyes are better than madara's
My mistake. It was Saiyan Saga K3Goku that's calced to be Mach 270, not the Death Beams though Freeza's forms minus his final are in the mid triple digit range. On that people have been agreeing that Android Saga is just over the quad-digit range. And thats what the top tiers in Naruto are at.
Naruto speed calc comes from this. I can't link to the blog with the primary timeframe as it keeps saying invalid, but several people that can view the page still use it.
Originally posted by BloodRain
My mistake. It was Saiyan Saga K3Goku that's calced to be Mach 270, not the Death Beams though Freeza's forms minus his final are in the mid triple digit range. On that people have been agreeing that Android Saga is just over the quad-digit range. And thats what the top tiers in Naruto are at.Naruto speed calc comes from this. I can't link to the blog with the primary timeframe as it keeps saying invalid, but several people that can view the page still use it.
Don't agree about Naruto speed. But...
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/my-true-power-blog-goku-speed-1460662/
Alright here goes..
1. A submachine gun can also fire at normal Ma1 speed, and at a distance of 4-5m thats a Roshi speed of around 70m/s.
2. Don't care about Snake way, other than the in-verse distance is canon, not artwork.
3. Faster than eye speed! No one cares.
4. The whole "Opposite side of Namek" think has been debunked dozens of times from he manga itself. Manga >
5. Use of direct PL to physical stat figure scaling. Wrong.
6. Jumping to "OMGAH MFTL GAIS" when there's one major flaw; The article is only focusing on becoming 'invisible' in the literal sense. Issue being that its meant to be how fast a person needs to be to move faster than out own perception. In a melee range a normal human would lose track of a human sized object if it moves at 90m/s. At this stage we would maybe see a faint blur/flash. Faster than this and we couldnt keep track of constant movements above this speed.
And that's that.
There isnt too much to disagree with. The DB traveled across the horizon in seconds, and characters are able to intercept things at this speed.
Sorry...posted the wrong one. This guy is on point.
http://www.animevice.com/dragon-ball/10-1/how-fast-are-dbz-characters/97-314493/
Originally posted by carver9
Sorry...posted the wrong one. This guy is on point.http://www.animevice.com/dragon-ball/10-1/how-fast-are-dbz-characters/97-314493/
Originally posted by carver9
If you're reading this...read the post from Hitsu. He is the one that made a good argument for Goku being far above light.
Check ya links next time brah sneer
1. BS above Supes envy
2. Triple Mach Namek Goku, already said that myself.
3. Assuming a low star level character needs to personally visit every planet when the easy possibility of damaging a star exists. Either way it looks over an important piece; Babidi was still there. In the same light as Pagarus and Broly, the teleporting magician Babidi was accompanying Buu, being his pink wrecking ball. Either this wizard was flying around with Buu, or the obviously likely situation being that the guy ported him to where he needed him to be.
4. A panel = a second is BS, plain and simple. Also calced several times to even be Mach 1,000 or Mach 31,000. Take your pick.
5. A Mach 1-50 claim; Far closer to 100m/s.
6. Mach 50-100 claims; Two throws which even with that faulty method rank below Mach 1, afterimages which are not that fast tbh, sub-Mach bullet dodging due to distance, jumping into the sky feat which only generates Mach 4.
7. Mach 100-2,000 claims; Unspecified magical speed of a Dragonball. Strength feat, not speed. Tao calced to be Mach 20. Throwing Bora at sub-mach speed. Roshi/Krillen fight scene is calced to be low Mach. Afterimages, mean little. Catching bullets which is at best a Mach 1 feat. 50m/s wind can knock a adult over, so Mach 1 would be lucky.
8. Mach 2,000-5,000 claims; Jump feat like before. Fasterthaneyes feat. Roshi+ speed, so low hypersonic. Using a high-end bullet speed. Afterimages. Fast punches.
9. Mach 5,000-50,000 claims; Tien+ speed, so mid hypersonic. Piccolo+ speed, so mid hypersonic.
10. Name of attack. Calced to be Mach 89. Using speed from a strength feat. KK20 is calced to be in the low quadruple digit Mach speed.
The thought speeds hovering around Mach 1 were thousands of times faster. The highest calced between those numbers is below 89, not 50,000. Not the most credible person when it comes to judging speed.
Hitsu:
1. Using Goku's rescue speed, which is already debunked.
2. Linear PL to stat increase, where it isn't direct figure by figure.
3. Thinking name of attack = direct fact.
4. Roshi and Krillens Mach 1 exchange.
5. More direct linear PL scaling.
6. Again the barely Mach 1 bullet catching.
7. Afterimages.
8. Self admitting that dodging lasers means squat.
9. Sub bullet deflection due to distance.
10. Taking the word 'lighting' literally, an thinking it can move at half the speed of light.
11. 'Godly'
12. Feat constantly countered.
13. Beams are low quad digit Machs.
Less poorly made assumptions with this one, so theres that. Just with mostly the exact same argument.
Originally posted by BloodRain
My mistake. It was Saiyan Saga K3Goku that's calced to be Mach 270, not the Death Beams though Freeza's forms minus his final are in the mid triple digit range. On that people have been agreeing that Android Saga is just over the quad-digit range. And thats what the top tiers in Naruto are at.Naruto speed calc comes from this. I can't link to the blog with the primary timeframe as it keeps saying invalid, but several people that can view the page still use it.
Those roots being 63km wide is a load of bollocks.
They're kinda massive. If we compare the mountain ranges there to the BD calcs with them shown, the size must be impressively large.
Originally posted by BloodRain
That was both the OP and Hitsu's post.. note the part where I type "Hitsu".
Well, you're wrong. Piccolo blast made it out of orbit in one panel. The more powerful you get, the faster your attacks are. Piccolo most powerful attack (mind you, his weakest made it out of orbit near instantly) was dodged with ease by Raditz and Piccolo was shocked, extremely shocked that he dodged it, his best attack. Not only that...Goku out raced Frieza attack/blast that was made out of light. It didn't even touch him. Everything, EVERYTHING...leads to Goku being FTL. Don't be in denial because you don't like a character. Frieza attack was faster than any attack before the Namek saga. ANY...And Goku was casually dodging it.
With increase of power comes faster blasts, faster reaction time, and speed.
Originally posted by carver9
Well, you're wrong. Piccolo blast made it out of orbit in one panel. The more powerful you get, the faster your attacks are. Piccolo most powerful attack (mind you, his weakest made it out of orbit near instantly) was dodged with ease by Raditz and Piccolo was shocked, extremely shocked that he dodged it, his best attack. Not only that...Goku out raced Frieza attack/blast that was made out of light. It didn't even touch him. Everything, EVERYTHING...leads to Goku being FTL. Don't be in denial because you don't like a character. Frieza attack was faster than any attack before the Namek saga. ANY...And Goku was casually dodging it.With increase of power comes faster blasts, faster reaction time, and speed.
dude they arent lightspeed. gotenks ssj3 flew around the earth 7 or 8 times in a couple minutes..... light travels around the earth 7 times a SECOND
these dbz fans boy i tell you they just keep trying to amp goku up more and more by the day
