Originally posted by yungz22
dude they arent lightspeed. gotenks ssj3 flew around the earth 7 or 8 times in a couple minutes..... light travels around the earth 7 times a SECONDthese dbz fans boy i tell you they just keep trying to amp goku up more and more by the day
Was never said he flew around in several minutes. He flew around the world 7 times in one panel and took a nap afterwards which is the reason why his fusion depleted the time that it did. What else ya got?
Originally posted by carver9
Was never said he flew around in several minutes. He flew around the world 7 times in one panel and took a nap afterwards which is the reason why his fusion depleted the time that it did. What else ya got?
so you think he flew around the earth 7 times in a second?
everything shown on this is one second?----http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3132-8/dragon-ball/chapter-483.html
Originally posted by yungz22
so you think he flew around the earth 7 times in a second?everything shown on this is one second?----http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3132-8/dragon-ball/chapter-483.html
Um, yes. Typically, one panel=one second.
However, it much less than even that. We've been over this before, and my argument beats your, "In a show, time is always accurately depicted when referring to speedsters", logic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHzml_KGILI
Yes, this scene also happened in 2 minutes, and not less than a second(Aka, the time it takes a bullet to travel 5 feet.).
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Originally posted by yungz22
ls hasnt been acheived by both verses
IIRC, Whis is DBZ's only definitive lightspeeder (something about traveling to King Kai's planet from the other side of the galaxy in thirty minutes or some shit), but I've never actually seen the movie to be able to comment.
As for Gotenks, I can only ever remember him achieving relativity (5-6 circumnavigations in a second or something), which seems to be the current point of discussion. Not that it means a damn thing seeing as start of Z Goku was chosen for this, making the comparison irrelevant.
Originally posted by Sacred 117
IIRC, Whis is DBZ's only definitive lightspeeder (something about traveling to King Kai's planet from the other side of the galaxy in thirty minutes or some shit), but I've never actually seen the movie to be able to comment.As for Gotenks, I can only ever remember him achieving relativity (5-6 circumnavigations in a second or something), which seems to be the current point of discussion. Not that it means a damn thing seeing as start of Z Goku was chosen for this, making the comparison irrelevant.
No, you don't remember correctly in that case. lol. Whiss traveled from the center of the universe, to Otherworld, and then to Earth, effortlessly in 26 minutes. That entire feat is a variable, but it's clear that he's ridiculously FTL if he can cross the universe twice in under 30 minutes.
Again, the feat wasn't defined, and can be considered nothing more than such. I can give feats of Namek Goku though that prove otherwise.
Yes though, this means nothing for start of Z Goku, who's feats are very defined. In the Saiyan saga, he has a traveling speed of hundreds of times the speed of sound, and a combat speed of LS to FTL. The reason for the gap is because of the fact that he was unable to fly until very recently, and even had to use the nimbus cloud because of how unaccustomed he was to it, and how much ki it drained from him. He was only able to fly for a mile or something when he first went down Snake Way, before being exhausted.
So again, even current Sasuke, can only beat up to Raditz saga Goku, considering Goku is a moon buster, with FTL combat speed, and small planet level durability. And that's Raditz saga Goku. Raditz would stomp Sasuke. HARD.
Originally posted by Sacred 117
IIRC, Whis is DBZ's only definitive lightspeeder (something about traveling to King Kai's planet from the other side of the galaxy in thirty minutes or some shit), but I've never actually seen the movie to be able to comment.As for Gotenks, I can only ever remember him achieving relativity (5-6 circumnavigations in a second or something), which seems to be the current point of discussion. Not that it means a damn thing seeing as start of Z Goku was chosen for this, making the comparison irrelevant.
whis's feat makes more sense to be lightspeed we just need to know 2 things did he teleport and how far the distance he travelled is.
i personally think relavistic is pretty much the spped top tier dbz characters are at. the people who say they are lightpeed dont comprehend the actual speed of light and dbz characters are nowhere near that....whis might be but we need two things answered.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um, yes. Typically, one panel=one second.However, it much less than even that. We've been over this before, and my argument beats your, "In a show, time is always accurately depicted when referring to speedsters", logic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHzml_KGILI
Yes, this scene also happened in 2 minutes, and not less than a second(Aka, the time it takes a bullet to travel 5 feet.).
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the one panel = one second argument makes zero sense whatsoever.
and the whole depiction of that xmen scene was to show how fast quicksilver was.. he moves so fast things around him seem to move slow....its not like he slowed down time or anything the bullet still moved very fast its just that quicksilver is much much faster (idk what xmen have to do with dbz by the way)
Originally posted by yungz22
dude they arent lightspeed. gotenks ssj3 flew around the earth 7 or 8 times in a couple minutes..... light travels around the earth 7 times a SECONDthese dbz fans boy i tell you they just keep trying to amp goku up more and more by the day
Considering you're basically the biggest dipshit on this board (going as far as claiming Edo's could survive galaxy busters), you are in no position to lecture anyone about who is a fanboy
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Considering you're basically the biggest dipshit on this board (going as far as claiming Edo's could survive galaxy busters), you are in no position to lecture anyone about who is a fanboy
theyve survived atomic dismantling an explosion no mater how big isnt going to destroy them its simple logic
Originally posted by StealthRanger
No, that's a no limit fallacy, and that's against the rules
i couldve sworn i told you this before its not a no limits fallcacy. bieng broken down past the smallest unit of matter shows that they would survive an explosion.
especially since the jutst says that their souls are BOUND TO THIS EARTH.....go watch kabuto explain the jutsu again im tired of reiterating this to you. Edo bodies are mere shells that house the souls the bodies can be destroyed but since their souls are bound to the earth the shell just reforms.....hell even the clothes they were wearing b4 they died is reanimated.
Originally posted by yungz22
i couldve sworn i told you this before its not a no limits fallcacy. bieng broken down past the smallest unit of matter shows that they would survive an explosion.especially since the jutst says that their souls are BOUND TO THIS EARTH.....go watch kabuto explain the jutsu again im tired of reiterating this to you. Edo bodies are mere shells that house the souls the bodies can be destroyed but since their souls are bound to the earth the shell just reforms.....hell even the clothes they were wearing b4 they died is reanimated.
blah blah sperging blah blah no limit fallacy wanking
Yeah, rules of shit like this, you show the best feat and that's assumed to be their limit for the sake of vs debates. Kind of the same reason why OP logias can't survive planet buster or why shit like Ganon and Xemnas' immunities to everything save for a certain item inverse don't count as arguments
Come back when you get a clue of how shit goes
Originally posted by StealthRanger
blah blah sperging blah blah no limit fallacy wankingYeah, rules of shit like this, you show the best feat and that's assumed to be their limit for the sake of vs debates. Kind of the same reason why OP logias can't survive planet buster or why shit like Ganon and Xemnas' immunities to everything save for a certain item inverse don't count as arguments
Come back when you get a clue of how shit goes
dude its in panel unless your arguing that an atom isnt the smallest unit of matter
What the heck is going on now? As for feats, yeah Sasuke is still better than end of DB Goku so I'm not sure why he's still being downplayed. In fact the Narutoverse in general, due to Kishi's absurd power inflation, caught up. It's not like anyone's saying their above Saiyan Saga characters but Sasuke has definitely rose up in the ranks.
Is Sasuke a "moon buster"? Of course not, but he doesn't need to be since Goku,at the end of DB and even the start of Z, can't just casually output that much power anyway. as I've stated before Sasuke's Susanoo has mountain busting durability so unless he has a tech that directly bypasses it, like Kaguya's Senbon for instance, then melee's useless. This isn't including the hax like genjutsu, teleportation, amateratsu coating, or his recent mastery of path powers that let him absorb chakra/ki(equivalency rule). So unless someone wanted to argue Goku had "moon busting durability & resistance to hax by the end of DB, then Sasuke still takes the majority.
no additional comments on the lightspeed thing.
dc isnt the only decider in at fight. sasuke migh not be able to hurt goku physically as much as goku could hurt sasuke but sasuke has hax on his side, and things like genjutsu which goku is totally susceptible to.
goku is a one dimensional fighter while sasuke has many outlets to turn to as well as being leagues smarter than goku...
Originally posted by yungz22
the one panel = one second argument makes zero sense whatsoever.and the whole depiction of that xmen scene was to show how fast quicksilver was.. he moves so fast things around him seem to move slow....its not like he slowed down time or anything the bullet still moved very fast its just that quicksilver is much much faster (idk what xmen have to do with dbz by the way)
No, you just aren't smart enough to understand it, apparently. You think Buu sat around watching a speeding bullet race across the sky multiple times for 30 minutes and just fingered his own anus? He was obviously too fast for fat Buu to notice.
Um, duh. Are you saying that logic is ANY different than that used in DBZ? Such as when Raditz caught a bullet? Or when Goku flew around Namek before Frieza could throw a punch? Or when Freiza was dodging and countering the attacks of Piccolo, Gohan and Krillin without using any of his limbs or moving? Or when Goku was so fast that he could dodge Burter and Jeice's attacks, and move back into place, so he seemed intangible? Or when ANYONE in DBZ has displayed a feat of speed?
You're LITERALLY arguing that the characters are moving at speeds we can register, when they have been moving fast enough to cross dimensions for years. Again, as I and dozens of other posters have explained to you countless times before, series show theatrical views so you can know what happened. Otherwise, the shows would just be random explosions and planets blowing up.
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Because Goku is much faster (Piccolo's blast reaching the moon in seconds, Goku's attacks should be no slower and they can react to and even outrun their attacks, yeah, we're talking something sub-relativistic, to put it conservatively
EDIT: Though on second thought, nah, I predict you'll cry outlier amirite?)
Goku just nukes Saucegay by extending his palm. There's your answer