Odin & WBH vs Depowered Tyrant & Superboy Prime

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
There's as much bias for and against Hulk as there is for other popular characters including Superman, Thor, Wolverine, etc.

Hulk's not the KMC victim you try to paint him out to be.

1) Savage Hulk = Thor + Mjolnir, as established in more or less every fight Marvel depicted.

2) Savage Hulk wrecked The Avengers.

Now from these, note that Green Scar is the evolution of Hulk, his powers exponentially increased.

Now view the forums and see how much he is downplayed. How much feats such as nearly taking down the Eastern Seaboard with a simple footstep are argued over time and again, how the mere concussive backwash of HOTM is diminished by many here, as being merely "planetary level" or "planet busting" ...

People have different favourites, it's true, but Hulk is perhaps the only major Marvel hero that regularly kicks off against other Marvel heroes. This naturally makes him the "B" in everybody's A-B-C logic. If Hulk mows down some character, then they worry that it makes their favourite look bad in comparison ... Nobody gives a damn when Surfer nonchalantly dusts a planet with a wave of his hand or when Gladiator/BRB wreck small planets with many punches/hammer swings ... because they don't regularly face off against their favourite characters.

Originally posted by Uriel005
quan or nihilus

Originally posted by janus77
Again, you're biased against him, so you naturally would chose not to see it, but think on these two things:

1) Savage Hulk = Thor + Mjolnir, as established in more or less every fight Marvel depicted.

2) Savage Hulk wrecked The Avengers.

Now from these, note that Green Scar is the evolution of Hulk, his powers exponentially increased.

Now view the forums and see how much he is downplayed. How much feats such as nearly taking down the Eastern Seaboard with a simple footstep are argued over time and again, how the mere concussive backwash of HOTM is diminished by many here, as being merely "planetary level" or "planet busting" ...

People have different favourites, it's true, but Hulk is perhaps the only major Marvel hero that regularly kicks off against other Marvel heroes. This naturally makes him the "B" in everybody's A-B-C logic. If Hulk mows down some character, then they worry that it makes their favourite look bad in comparison ... Nobody gives a damn when Surfer nonchalantly dusts a planet with a wave of his hand or when Gladiator/BRB wreck small planets with many punches/hammer swings ... because they don't regularly face off against their favourite characters.

If I'm biased against Hulk, then you must be a completely objective party when it comes to the character, right?

Savage Hulk = Thor + Mjolnir (Even though, 90% of the time, Thor does have Mjolnir with him as it's a part of his standard equipment and has become an integral part of who he fundamentally is as a character, anyway) when Thor fights on Hulk's level in a purely physical contest. When Thor invokes his power output and versatility, he brings more to the table than Hulk can, as evidenced by feats. How or why this is even being disputed or argued to this day is beyond me.

The rest of this post is basically you, again, crying foul about how you feel Hulk is treated unfairly by the forum, which is funny, because you then turn around and I suppose counter-troll or attempt to gain justice for Hulk or something with posts that are pretty obviously attempting to bait others.

It's getting old and tired at this point. And I've said the same thing about people who claim that Superman is treated unfairly on KMC and then post bitter remarks and show their glaring butt hurt for the world to see, so there's no bias here.

Hell, I don't think the forum is "biased against Thor" when some posters choose to ignore his entire history in favor for low showings. I just accept some people just don't like Thor and some people overrate him.

To that end, Hulk isn't special at all and if you could take off the gamma hued lens, you'd see that.

Aside from mocking, do you have anything to say about the fact that people go crying to the mod to restrict a character? that they are still downplaying HOTM, just so that the pretence of a parity between Hulk and their favourite character, can remain?

Your entire post has been just one long attempt at ignoring the point.

As for baiting ... the past year has seen an explosion in Hulk/Carver-baiting on KMC, it's pretty clear when people throw Hulk into fights between abstracts...

I have a question. Couldn't Odin enchant the Hulk or augment his physical stats during this battle?

Originally posted by Stoic
I have a question. Couldn't Odin enchant the Hulk or augment his physical stats during this battle?

Why would he even need to do that though?

Originally posted by janus77
Aside from mocking, do you have anything to say about the fact that people go crying to the mod to restrict a character? that they are still downplaying HOTM, just so that the pretence of a parity between Hulk and their favourite character, can remain?

Your entire post has been just one long attempt at ignoring the point.

As for baiting ... the past year has seen an explosion in Hulk/Carver-baiting on KMC, it's pretty clear when people throw Hulk into fights between abstracts...

People have gone to mods to completely ignore the power set of speed due to h1 style arguments, change the tiers to reflect a character's standing based on one event, and God knows what else. Comes with the territory.

People hate on Hulk, yeah. Sucks, but it's true. People also hate on Superman, Thor, Wolverine, etc. I've not denied that Hulk gets shit on in threads, but he's not the only character who does, so this attempt to make Hulk special in that he's the only one who gets this unfair treatment just doesn't jive well with me.

There's been an explosion in stupid threads in general. Carver brings a lot of it on himself - and relishes in it at times - but he doesn't have a copyright claim on absurdity.

Originally posted by Stoic
I have a question. Couldn't Odin enchant the Hulk or augment his physical stats during this battle?

Yeah, he actually could. Whether or not he would in the midst of battle is sketchy.

Originally posted by carver9
Why would he even need to do that though?

WB Hulk's inability to hang with Prime in a fight may be one reason. His strength is comparable, and his durability may be as well, but the speed advantage goes to Prime. He would need an equalizer, and Odin could give him that equalizer. The honest truth, is that Prime could swiftly grab any Hulk about the ankles, and toss him across the solar system in a true fiction type battle, effectively putting him out of the battle. Prime would then return to the battle, and tag team Odin with the help of Tyrant. I'm highly doubting that Odin could take on Tyrant and Prime. Just my opinion.

Without Odin enchanting the Hulk, he just can't win. C'mon let's be honest here Carver.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, he actually could. Whether or not he would in the midst of battle is sketchy.

Oh and Odin's quasi cosmic/magical shields could likely hold team two off long enough for Odin to enchant the Hulk. I don't see why the All Father would not do this. His wisdom has been said to be pretty good in the past.

Originally posted by Stoic
Oh and Odin's quasi cosmic/magical shields could likely hold team two off long enough for Odin to enchant the Hulk. I don't see why the All Father would not do this. His wisdom has been said to be pretty good in the past.

I'm surprised Dp Tyrant is rated so lowly though.

Originally posted by Stoic
WB Hulk's inability to hang with Prime in a fight may be one reason. His strength is comparable, and his durability may be as well, but the speed advantage goes to Prime. He would need an equalizer, and Odin could give him that equalizer. The honest truth, is that Prime could swiftly grab any Hulk about the ankles, and toss him across the solar system in a true fiction type battle, effectively putting him out of the battle. Prime would then return to the battle, and tag team Odin with the help of Tyrant. I'm highly doubting that Odin could take on Tyrant and Prime. Just my opinion.

Without Odin enchanting the Hulk, he just can't win. C'mon let's be honest here Carver.

I disagree and Prime doesn't go around blitzing an entire match. That's like me saying "Hulk goes around Umar dimension thunderclapping the entire match". By the way, when has Prime bfred anyone?

Originally posted by janus77
He's also headbutted Galactus... I'm not sure if he's fully recovered from that 'feat' yet.

I'm surprised Dp Tyrant is rated so lowly though.

Odin was fine the moment he awoke, and the only reason that he lost to Galactus was that he got up slightly after Galactus. IMO that battle could easily have gone the other way.

In my opinion
DP Tyrant is a solid mid Sky Father.
Odin is a High Sky Father.
Superboy Prime is a Solid Mid - High Trans
WB Hulk is a Low - Mid Trans (Low due this his inability to truly fly. High due to growth potential).

This is how I see them.

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree and Prime doesn't go around blitzing an entire match. That's like me saying "Hulk goes around Umar dimension thunderclapping the entire match". By the way, when has Prime bfred anyone?

That's besides the point. Prime has the power to speed in grab his ankles and toss his across the galaxy. As quickly as I though of it, would be as quickly as Prime could think of it, and execute said plan. This fight depends on Odin's first move.

The Hulk is the weakest on the field in terms of ability. There comes a time where credit must be given where it is due. Prime is simply too fast for WB Hulk to hang with in a true battle. Of course if you want to exploit Prime by saying that he is too stupid to BFR from the start, be prepared for another poster to exploit, and low-ball WB Hulk.

This battle could go either way, but it's Odin's battle to lose.

Prime has actually used his speed plenty in battle

Originally posted by Stoic
That's besides the point. Prime has the power to speed in grab his ankles and toss his across the galaxy. As quickly as I though of it, would be as quickly as Prime could think of it, and execute said plan. This fight depends on Odin's first move.

The Hulk is the weakest on the field in terms of ability. There comes a time where credit must be given where it is due. Prime is simply too fast for WB Hulk to hang with in a true battle. Of course if you want to exploit Prime by saying that he is too stupid to BFR from the start, be prepared for another poster to exploit, and low-ball WB Hulk.

This battle could go either way, but it's Odin's battle to lose.

Stoic, these characters "fight in character". We don't imaginary make up a way these people combat. Prime never blitzed someone continuously and the time he did bfr Black Adam wasn't intentionally.

Prime is a brawler...you might want to relook at his battles...speed wasnt an issue with Prime, it was his physical stats, his speed and strength.

Why wouldnt WBH be able to hang with Prime? Show me these Prime combat fts you are talking about. WBH combat power seem more impressive anyways.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Prime has actually used his speed plenty in battle

Show me him continuously blitzing someone in combat.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me him continuously blitzing someone in combat.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Show you scans of him doing what only Flashes do? 😆

Exactly. I never said Prime doesn't have speed but he isn't fighting like a Flash either and he sure hell isn't unhittable. Prime is just as much of a bruiser as Hulk is.

Odin vs Depowered Tyrant & Superboy Prime, would be the fight. WBH would die very fast.