Who's faster? Superman or the Flash?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dang, here it is and no carver jay didn't mention diana

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I wouldn't take that as admission that they were all faster then him. More that the others can match or out run him.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
We don't go by on-panel when writers who are too stupid to do even 5 minutes of research, get something blatantly wrong.

Writer gaffes are completely ignorable.

I really don't think comics are for you, yeah this is a laughable one but I mean in general you take more issue then most with things that don't make sense in real terms.

I think in an issue before this, Vixen kept up with him while using her cheetah abilities IIRC. That was a bad issue for Jay.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I really don't think comics are for you, yeah this is a laughable one but I mean in general you take more issue then most with things that don't make sense in real terms.

comics have the worst writing in fiction, bar none.

but they also have my favorite characters, bar none. it's a love hate thing.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
comics have the worst writing in fiction, bar none.

but they also have my favorite characters, bar none. it's a love hate thing.

So you love the characters but hate the stories? Makes sense, I can understand that.

Originally posted by carver9
I think in an issue before this, Vixen kept up with him while using her cheetah abilities IIRC. That was a bad issue for Jay.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, I got Diana mixed up with Powergirl. I don't think Red Tornado is faster than Jay. During that time, wasn't Jay top speed 2000mps.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Flash, else the character would be pointless...

Originally posted by abhilegend
You always mix up. Red tornado is a wind elemental, he is pretty fast. You again with that 2000 mps bullshit? He's always just under lightspeed.

I'm going by his speed being decreased. I think Darth made a good argument on this as well.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm going by his speed being decreased. I think Darth made a good argument on this as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, I got Diana mixed up with Powergirl. I don't think Red Tornado is faster than Jay. During that time, wasn't Jay top speed 2000mps.

lol.

This debate is pointless. Everyone who's ever read a DC comic knows the Flash is faster than Superman. This is about SUNDIPPED Superman, and who the hell knows how fast he is. Common sense would tell me he'd be faster than any Flash, but there's no way to prove it, so what else is there to discuss?

A sunamped superman makes boom tube like effect in space-time and goes to source wall instantenously

Now consider how fast sundipped superman would be.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
This debate is pointless. Everyone who's ever read a DC comic knows the Flash is faster than Superman. This is about SUNDIPPED Superman, and who the hell knows how fast he is. Common sense would tell me he'd be faster than any Flash, but there's no way to prove it, so what else is there to discuss?

More or less how I feel. It's speculative how fast a sundipped amp would make him.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
We don't go by on-panel when writers who are too stupid to do even 5 minutes of research, get something blatantly wrong.

Writer gaffes are completely ignorable.

if thats the case then he was very clearly going over the speed of light saving those half a million people.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
if thats the case then he was very clearly going over the speed of light saving those half a million people.

Absolutely.

Likewise, the shadow moon didn't only weigh 'billions' of tons because that isn't the weight of our actual moon--which it was supposed to be equivalent to in that front.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Barry > Superman >= Wally

No, he does not.

Barry IS the speed force. Flashpoint > Wally's entire career.

Likewise, Superman directly shows us that his reflexes are faster than Wally's. His stand alone feats by themselves compare favorably to Wally's as well.

^ nono

Kingdom Come Superman was already as fast as Wally, per Jay, and he's in conception, if not in actual Earth 1 continuity, an older Superman who soaked more solar energy.

The amount of power he had was still inconsequential as far as a sundipped Superman is concerned.