Originally posted by SquallX
While Superman would be ahead of Reed by 100 steps.Give Clark 5 minutes to study chess, Reed's not winning.
5 minutes? he could probably read every chess book that ever existed. it would be like playing the best computer that ever existed. in all likelihood this would be a draw.
chess isn't much of an indicator of creativity IMO. reed's a genius, far beyond clark, but in a chess match it won't matter. it's like einstein vs deep blue. einstein loses or draws at best.
also reed's STRATEGY isn't the best. see WWH, Civil War, etc.
Originally posted by janus77
Doesn't matter how fast Superman thinks. Deep Blue processes data far faster than a human being yet it still lost the first match-up against Kasparov.And most computer chess games are beatable, so processing speed alone isn't going to win it for Superman.
But he's not just a computer, though. Out of all the alien god type heroes, he's the most human.
The deal with this is who's more prone to make a mistake first?
The Kryptonian mind which is able to read & analyze any/every possible counter within fractions of a second or the genius level intellect of the human mind in Reed.
Not saying Reed is incapabile of winning but he would be going up against a súper computer every time. More margin for error with the human mind, albeit be genius level imo.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he's not just a computer, though. Out of all the alien god type heroes, he's the most human.
Outside of arm wrestling or rock-paper-scissors (the perception speed and superior reactions will no doubt make this Superman's game to lose) there are no contests Reed will not triumph against Superman at.
Originally posted by Sundipped
The deal with this is who's more prone to make a mistake first?The Kryptonian mind which is able to read & analyze any/every possible counter within fractions of a second or the genius level intellect of the human mind in Reed.
Not saying Reed is incapabile of winning but he would be going up against a súper computer every time. More margin for error with the human mind, albeit be genius level imo.
He has no "human" limitation or characteristic to his brain, it's all Fantastic, all of the time!
Originally posted by Sundipped
The deal with this is who's more prone to make a mistake first?The Kryptonian mind which is able to read & analyze any/every possible counter within fractions of a second or the genius level intellect of the human mind in Reed.
Not saying Reed is incapabile of winning but he would be going up against a súper computer every time. More margin for error with the human mind, albeit be genius level imo.
Which is why they are so good with tech in general. Didn't Superman build a tesseract?
Originally posted by janus77
Doesn't matter how fast Superman thinks. Deep Blue processes data far faster than a human being yet it still lost the first match-up against Kasparov.And most computer chess games are beatable, so processing speed alone isn't going to win it for Superman.
Lost the first match up? Big deal. Leave out information much?
2002: Kramnik draw against Deep Fritz
2003 Kasparov had a draw with Deep Blue Junior.
2003 Kasparov had a draw against Fritz.
In October 2004, Ruslan Ponomariov, Veselin Topalov and Sergey Karjakin played against computers Hydra, Fritz 8, and Deep Junior. Ponomariov and Topalov were FIDE world chess champions. Sergey Karjakin at 12 was the youngest Grandmaster. The computers won 8.5 to 3.5. The humans won one game, Karjakin, the youngest and lowest rated player, defeated Deep Junior
In November 2005, 3 former FIDE world chess champions, Alexander Khalifman, Ruslan Ponomariov and Rustam Kasimdzhanov played against computers Hydra, Junior and Fritz. The computers won 8 to 4.
In 2005, Hydra, a dedicated chess computer with custom hardware and sixty-four processors and also winner of the 14th IPCCC in 2005, crushed seventh-ranked Michael Adams 5½–½ in a six-game match.
Kramnik, then still the World Champion, played a six-game match against the computer program Deep Fritz in Bonn, Germany from November 25 to December 5, 2006, losing 0–4–2 to the machine, with two losses and four draws.
In the final game, in an attempt to draw the match, Kramnik played the more aggressive Sicilian Defence and was crushed., losing the match 4–2.
Doesn't look like human grandmasters and world champs match up too well with computers, does it?
Supercomputers have an advantage vs humans because every known strategy has been programmed into their software and their extreme ability to process vast amounts of move variations give them an almost flawless strategy.
If Supes has demonstrated to read chess books or play chess, I agree that his supercomputer like mind would easily allow him to match up with Reed. Has he, tho? But as of now, it looks like Supes is a supercomputer sans the programming...
Thing is, both character's minds are so advanced that the tactical variations of chess is far beneath them. It would be kinda like a contest on whose skin deflects more bullets between classic jugs and superman. At best its a draw.
Originally posted by PillarofOsirisNone of which has to do with chess.
Yeah, his always has flawless strategies, doesn't he? Civil War and WWH are two prime examples....but there's MORE. LOTS MORE.
You have to be an idiot to compare the two.
First, because of plot the scenarios had to play out the way they did.
Second, chess is infinitely more limited than "real life".