Hulk (AEMH) vs Superman (JLU)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But then, based on that, any character with a HF loses - Wolverine was 'incapacitated' by Elektra by her sais, for example. Should we go for a 10 count? I think that's a bit too short, and not because I think Superman wins here.

Especially since, a few minutes later, Superman was strong enough to manhandle Darkseid.

Well, I dunno. My comment really has nothing to do with who wins here, tbh. Just thought I'd chime in when people were saying that Superman wasn't KOd. I just remembered reading about a 10 second rule here somewhere. I'm a bit new so I don't really know if that's established as a hard rule or if it's just an accepted consensus.

But if we base it on a hard 10 second rule, that's DEF should be considered a KO.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm going to use my trump card...looking at fts, Hulk is more powerful.

I don't think you know what a trump card is.

Originally posted by carver9
He was on the ground, not moving at all with his eyes closed. Darkseid lifts him off the ground and he was still limped. It's obvious what happened.

If what you said was true, you might have an argument. But it isn't, so you don't.

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Superman wasn't incapacitated enough for it to count as a knock out, purely because he's on his feet moments later and taking more punches. If he was that weakened at an early stage, then later stages would have only made it worse, yet he actually seemed to get better as time went on.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm going to use my trump card...looking at fts, Hulk is more powerful.

An all out Hulk vs a holding back Superman? Sure.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, I dunno. My comment really has nothing to do with who wins here, tbh. Just thought I'd chime in when people were saying that Superman wasn't KOd. I just remembered reading about a 10 second rule here somewhere. I'm a bit new so I don't really know if that's established as a hard rule or if it's just an accepted consensus.

But if we base it on a hard 10 second rule, that's DEF should be considered a KO.

Agreed. And welcome.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
An all out Hulk vs a holding back Superman? Sure.

IYO.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If what you said was true, you might have an argument. But it isn't, so you don't.

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Superman wasn't incapacitated enough for it to count as a knock out, purely because he's on his feet moments later and taking more punches. If he was that weakened at an early stage, then later stages would have only made it worse, yet he actually seemed to get better as time went on.

What exactly does "moments" later mean? A lot of boxers get plowed into the ground and get up after 9 seconds and are fighting again after that point. Had they waited 1 second longer, that would be considered a KO.

That was a whole 15 seconds of DEFINITE incapacitation, DS was looking him in the face, talking the whole time, he was hanging nearly limp, his hands to his side (not even grasping DS's hand as a form of resistance to the choke). When DS broke his grip, he still fell to the ground and didn't get up til a bit later. In MMA or Boxing or almost any regulated fighting sport that I know of, that would be considered well within the boundaries of KO.

Just because a character can recover from getting KOd early on, doesn't mean it wasnt a KO when it happened.

Originally posted by carver9
IYO.

Hulk had that stingy thing making him madder. I'll have a look through my Hulk comics, but am pretty sure its canon that the angrier the Hulk gets, the stronger he gets. You're right, though, it could just be my opinion. Maybe EMH Hulk's powers work differently.

And as for a holding back Superman? He himself says that he holds back, in case he damages the surroundings or the people around him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was the case when darkseid broke his back too. He wasn't incapacitated there too. More like creating a sense of drama. Again, I don't see how this is relevant here. Darkseid was a peer and in case of S:TAS stronger than superman and he was stronger than ever in Destroyer.

Well, I agree. This is not relevant here. Why are we even discussing if this is a KO in the first place? 😛 DS is NOT Hulk.

Darkseid couldve performed any attack he wanted during that time and Superman wouldnt have been able to do anything about it if Batman didn't assist him.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
What exactly does "moments" later mean? A lot of boxers get plowed into the ground and get up after 9 seconds and are fighting again after that point. Had they waited 1 second longer, that would be considered a KO.

That was a whole 15 seconds of DEFINITE incapacitation, DS was looking him in the face, talking the whole time, he was hanging nearly limp, his hands to his side (not even grasping DS's hand as a form of resistance to the choke). When DS broke his grip, he still fell to the ground and didn't get up til a bit longer later. In MMA or Boxing or almost any regulated fighting sport that I know of, that would be considered well within the boundaries of KO.

Just because a character can recover from getting KOd early on, doesn't mean it wasnt a KO when it happened.

If we went by that classification, though, we'd have to completely alter how fights are done on the forum.

Healing factors would become completely inconsequential.

Originally posted by carver9
Darkseid couldve performed any attack he wanted during that time and Superman wouldnt have been able to do anything about it if Batman didn't assist him.

And it wouldn't have killed Superman.

Plus, the longer the fight goes, the more tired Hulk gets. Like when he was fighting in Asgard at the end of Loki's War. He was tired from all that fighting.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulk had that stingy thing making him madder. I'll have a look through my Hulk comics, but am pretty sure its canon that the angrier the Hulk gets, the stronger he gets. You're right, though, it could just be my opinion. Maybe EMH Hulk's powers work differently.

And as for a holding back Superman? He himself says that he holds back, in case he damages the surroundings or the people around him.

What does that have to do with Hulk in general being more physically dominating than Superman?

Also, Hulk took on the Avengers twice...not just that one time he had a device pissing him. Let's not forget that the backlash of Green and Red Hulk colliding,.knocked all of the Avengers down. Him tossing a building sized radar into the sun...his showing against Ultron...etc, etc...this version of Hulk is a monster.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Plus, the longer the fight goes, the more tired Hulk gets. Like when he was fighting in Asgard at the end of Loki's War. He was tired from all that fighting.

Huh? You're getting the movie and the cartoon mixed up.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If we went by that classification, though, we'd have to completely alter how fights are done on the forum.

Healing factors would become completely inconsequential.

And what exactly would the classification for "KO" be? Are we saying that if a character eventually recovers from being incapacitated, that would not be considered a forum KO? That would mean every single KO in every single comic/movie/book where the character is seen within the pages of the same story sequence is not considered KO (even those roused/awakened by external means w/c seems to have happened here).

Originally posted by -Pr-
And it wouldn't have killed Superman.

DS could have taken his Knite knife (w/c he had in his possession) and cut Superman's heart with it within that moment. 😛 that would have killed Superman.

Just saying.

Originally posted by carver9
What does that have to do with Hulk in general being more physically dominating than Superman?

Also, Hulk took on the Avengers twice...not just that one time he had a device pissing him. Let's not forget that the backlash of Green and Red Hulk colliding,.knocked all of the Avengers down. Him tossing a building sized radar into the sun...his showing against Ultron...etc, etc...this version of Hulk is a monster.

It had everything to do with my statement of an all out Hulk being better with feats than a holding back Superman....scroll to the top and re read the sequence of messages.

Here you go:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So is it two fights? Or just one?

And I'm going to use my trump Hulk card:

'Superman was holding back'.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm going to use my trump card...looking at fts, Hulk is more powerful.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
An all out Hulk vs a holding back Superman? Sure.

Originally posted by carver9
IYO.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulk had that stingy thing making him madder. I'll have a look through my Hulk comics, but am pretty sure its canon that the angrier the Hulk gets, the stronger he gets. You're right, though, it could just be my opinion. Maybe EMH Hulk's powers work differently.

And as for a holding back Superman? He himself says that he holds back, in case he damages the surroundings or the people around him.

So which part of my statement was opinion, then? That Hulk was madder than normal? Or that Superman was holding when DS was pummelling him? Or do you have a different concept of what IYO stands for?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
And what exactly would the classification for "KO" be? Are we saying that if a character eventually recovers from being incapacitated, that would not be considered a forum KO? That would mean every single KO in every single comic/movie/book where the character is seen within the pages of the same story sequence is not considered KO (even those roused/awakened by external means w/c seems to have happened here).

Completely removed from the fight, with no chance of winning, basically.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
DS could have taken his Knite knife (w/c he had in his possession) and cut Superman's heart with it within that moment. 😛 that would have killed Superman.

Just saying.

lol.

Originally posted by carver9
What does that have to do with Hulk in general being more physically dominating than Superman?

Also, Hulk took on the Avengers twice...not just that one time he had a device pissing him. Let's not forget that the backlash of Green and Red Hulk colliding,.knocked all of the Avengers down. Him tossing a building sized radar into the sun...his showing against Ultron...etc, etc...this version of Hulk is a monster.

You need to stop this. Seriously, you do it in every thread.

If someone says that Superman wins, it doesn't mean you need to throw a fit, because they aren't saying that Hulk sucks.

Seriously, learn the difference.

Originally posted by carver9
Huh? You're getting the movie and the cartoon mixed up.

Please watch Season 1 Episode 26. 'A Day Unlike Any Other'.

Watch until the end, before Cap is shown to be a Skrull. Hulk is tired from all the fighting. What movie are you referring to? I think you're getting mixed up..I recall no such scene with Skrulls in Joss Whedon's epic.

He's not even watching Avengers? smh...

I agree with your statement about what I do involving involving Hulk (@Pr).

@Dark...

Lol at you pointing out Hulk low showings...that will not help you in this argument...trust me.