Hulk (AEMH) vs Superman (JLU)

Originally posted by -Pr-
Completely removed from the fight, with no chance of winning, basically.

That would make forum KOs highly subjective as a lot of characters can be seen by some as not being "removed from a fight" or "with no chance of winning" and not by others. Heroes get up all the time, that's what makes them heroes, tho. Especially Superman.

Example: At many parts of AvX, Thor has been seen as KOd by Majik and Colossus. Many can argue that Thor has taken worse injuries and been downed in the past and could have easily stood up and continued fighting based on past feats. I'd still see that as a KO, tho.

I, for one, would see any other character placed in Superman's position as being removed from the fight if DS hadn't chose to monologue/rouse Superman at this time.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with your statement about what I do involving involving Hulk (@Pr).

@Dark...

Lol at you pointing out Hulk low showings...that will not help you in this argument...trust me.

Is it because I face a master?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is it because I face a master?

He gots your number DarkSaint! You better watch it. 😛

Originally posted by Nibedicus
That would make forum KOs highly subjective as a lot of characters can be seen by some as not being "removed from a fight" or "with no chance of winning" and not by others. Heroes get up all the time, that's what makes them heroes, tho. Especially Superman.

Example: At many parts of AvX, Thor has been seen as KOd by Majik and Colossus. Many can argue that Thor has taken worse injuries and been downed in the past and could have easily stood up and continued fighting based on past feats. I'd still see that as a KO, tho.

I, for one, would see any other character placed in Superman's position as being removed from the fight if DS hadn't chose to monologue/rouse Superman at this time.

I never said it was easy lol

Originally posted by -Pr-
I never said it was easy lol

sneer

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I didn't say anything about a Kryptonite Asteroid.

It was in the two part episode Little Girl Lost, in Superman TAS.

Early in part two a Doctor is talking to Clark about a large comet that should be passing by Earth a safe distance away. Darkseid ended up installing a large magnet on Earth for the purpose of directing that comet to Earth and cause a global catastrophe.

It's not in part 2. 😛 trying to check part one but can't find the durned thing online (the site where I got part 2 has part one as "disabled"😉.

FINALLY! Found the episode.

Superman: Little Girl Lost Part 2

http://www.tubeplus.me/player/1351661/Superman/season_2/episode_28/Little_Girl_Lost%3A_Part_2/%22

Meteor clip "feat" starts at:18:20 and ends at: 19:23

Some things to consider:
1) At 14:06 Darskeid mentions that the "dark cloud" or the dust cloud caused by the impact and not the impact itself will wipe out all life on Earth. It probably won't wipe out ALL life on earth. As DS is known to hyperbole a lot in this series, I would consider this meaning that he means 70%-90% of all life and ALL intelligent life on the surface.
2) At 18:00 Granny Goodness mentions that the comet is about to enter Earth's atmosphere w/c means that it's been caught in the planet's gravity as well (w/c adds to the feat).
3) At 18:12 Superman mentions that he will "try to deflect" the comet and from how the comet was stopped, it looks like this was the case (it takes a LOT less to deflect something than to push against something).
4) Size comparison between Superman and the comet would put the comet no larger than maybe a large/skyscraper or city block. I find that silly, however, as, scientifically that would not cause an ELE and would much rather base it on the minimum size for such an event. From a google search, I'm estimating the size of about no more than a 5km radius (the same size as the one that was theorized to have wiped out the dinos) moving at high speed.
5) Comet breaks apart @ 18:42, making it even smaller when he deflected it (he was slowing it down, however and slowly moving it from its flight path).
6) Another impressive "feat" is where Supergirl shattered a third of the said the comet @ 19:12. The size of the explosion above Metrolpolis, however, didn't seem so big so I dunno...

Well, that's the feat. Take from it what you will, impressive, yes. But hardly moon sized or anything. 🙂

Originally posted by Nibedicus
FINALLY! Found the episode.

Superman: Little Girl Lost Part 2

http://www.tubeplus.me/player/1351661/Superman/season_2/episode_28/Little_Girl_Lost%3A_Part_2/%22

Meteor clip "feat" starts at:18:20 and ends at: 19:23

Some things to consider:
1) At 14:06 Darskeid mentions that the "dark cloud" or the dust cloud caused by the impact and not the impact itself will wipe out all life on Earth. It probably won't wipe out ALL life on earth. As DS is known to hyperbole a lot in this series, I would consider this meaning that he means 70%-90% of all life and ALL intelligent life on the surface.
2) At 18:00 Granny Goodness mentions that the comet is about to enter Earth's atmosphere w/c means that it's been caught in the planet's gravity as well (w/c adds to the feat).
3) At 18:12 Superman mentions that he will "try to deflect" the comet and from how the comet was stopped, it looks like this was the case (it takes a LOT less to deflect something than to push against something).
4) Size comparison between Superman and the comet would put the comet no larger than maybe a large/skyscraper or city block. I find that silly, however, as, scientifically that would not cause an ELE and would much rather base it on the minimum size for such an event. From a google search, I'm estimating the size of about no more than a 5km radius (the same size as the one that was theorized to have wiped out the dinos) moving at high speed.
5) Comet breaks apart @ 18:42, making it even smaller when he deflected it (he was slowing it down, however and slowly moving it from its flight path).
6) Another impressive "feat" is where Supergirl shattered a third of the said the comet @ 19:12. The size of the explosion above Metrolpolis, however, didn't seem so big so I dunno...

Well, that's the feat. Take from it what you will, impressive, yes. But hardly moon sized or anything. 🙂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Still better than anything hulk did.

Thor held Manhattan over his shoulders to slow down it's drop. And Hulk was stronger than Thor.

Hulk also chucked the Leader's Gamma tower pretty far off into space.

So I definitely will give Hulk the strength win over Supes.

But Supes defo wins the all out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Still better than anything hulk did.

Doesn't look like it.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Thor held Manhattan over his shoulders to slow down it's drop. And Hulk was stronger than Thor.

Hulk also chucked the Leader's Gamma tower pretty far off into space.

So I definitely will give Hulk the strength win over Supes.

But Supes defo wins the all out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In the latest Superman beyond, an older superman who is a lot weaker than his young self

Spoiler:
pushes a moon made of kryptonite about to destroy the earth into the sun in a protective armor which gets breached weakening him even more, Preview

😂

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't look like it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A>B>C logic doesn't apply here. A comet that is going to destroy all life on earth>slowing down manhattan (When did thor do that btw?). You want to play high end feat card? How about this?

That's canon btw.

Are you able to post the images from the scene...can't pull them up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It is.

Hulk is stronger than anyone on that show.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk is stronger than anyone on that show.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A>B>C logic doesn't apply here. A comet that is going to destroy all life on earth>slowing down manhattan (When did thor do that btw?).

In the Graviton episode. It was the Island of Manhattan right? That's how I remember it anyway.

And I don't see how the comet feat was greater. He just deflected it's direction.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You want to play high end feat card? How about this?

That's canon btw.

That's a comic. We're talking about the show. And btw you have any prrof Superman Beyond was weaker? He might have been stronger for all we know.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
In the Graviton episode. It was the Island of Manhattan right? That's how I remember it anyway.

And I don't see how the comet feat was greater. He just deflected it's direction.

That's a comic. We're talking about the show. And btw you have any prrof Superman Beyond was weaker? He might have been stronger for all we know.

Its a canon comic like Smallville season 11, buffy season 8 and 9 etc. It was stated in both Batman Beyond cartoon and in the comic that he was much weaker than his younger self.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was stated in both Batman Beyond cartoon and in the comic that he was much weaker than his younger self.

I don't remember him saying that in Batman Beyond. Quote? And which episode the first or second?

Quote from the comic as well please as well as a comic no. Preferably a scan.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I don't remember him saying that in Batman Beyond. Quote? And which episode the first or second?

Quote from the comic as well please as well as a comic no. Preferably a scan.

Unfortunately, I don't have the scan. Its from the first issue IIRC.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was a chunk of manhattan, IIRC. Its a good feat but not as good as the comet feat.

Its a canon comic like Smallville season 11, buffy season 8 and 9 etc. It was stated in both Batman Beyond cartoon and in the comic that he was much weaker than his younger self.

I can confirm that it was a chunk of Manhattan (around half from the looks of it).

And I still maintain that offshoot comic "feats" should not be referenced unless mods allow offshoot media to be allowed (for example the Capt America: First Vengeance comic is canon to the movie but shouldn't be used when movie Avenger "feats" are being requested.).

PS. Also, do you have scans of the Superman beyond meteor "feat"? The preview never shows Supes doing anything to the meteor and I think scans need to be provided before you can even consider using the instance as any kind of proof. 😛

Edit: added MOVIE Avengers just to clarify.