Cell vs Broly

Originally posted by juggerman
Gohan sh!t stomped Cell. Then killed a suped up Cell at half power. Cell was distracted by a love tap from Vegeta which really did nothing to him.

Goku was uber stomped by Broly when he had help in seconds. Then Broly's power grew alot and he stomped them all again with even more help. So Broly (before his power boost) ran thru a Goku (that was working a holding back Cell) AND Goku's pals. Seems like they are at the very least comparable. I'd go as far to say that Broly murders pre resurrection Cell. Super Cell tho may be a different story

And if teen Gohan's power could get cut in half by an attack that was only meant to finish off Vegeta, imagine how much more an attack like that from Super Cell would do to the weaker and slower adult Gohan.

Originally posted by stargun
Vegeta casually blowing up a planet back in the Saiyan Saga for example.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
At the very least Vegeta's attack slightly damaged Cell enough to make him flinch with the way he reacted to it, while sadly the attacks from Piccolo and the other Z-fighters together didn't make him move at all in comparison.

And if teen Gohan's power could get cut in half by an attack that was only meant to finish off Vegeta, imagine how much more an attack like that from Super Cell would do to the weaker and slower adult Gohan.

Cell was also blown in half by Vegeta and Goku. And Trunks put a hurting on him as well before Cell realised Trunks was slow. These same guys did absolutly nothing to Broly

You're talking about things that happened to Perfect Cell before he got the zenkai boost. I was referring strictly to just Super Cell. Wasn't denying that Broly wins round 1. Round 2 as you said though, could be a different story.

Where do we stand on Broly's Zenkai boost? Did he recieve on after getting that beating on New Vegeta?

I'm not sure actually. I guess it's possible he could've gotten one, though I don't remember it being mentioned or anything like it was for Cell.

I've got a question... Why does one assume that Gohan was at half strength when he killed S.Cell?

I mean, Goku outright states from the afterlife that Gohan had to unleash all he had to overcome Cell's Solar Kamehameha... Eventually he did so, he may have been down an arm, but he did not suddenly lose half his strength, and by the end of that duel, he was expending everything he had.

He was giving everything he had left. I think Piccolo and maybe others commented on how Gohan's power took a big hit. Dunno if they actually said "half" tho

Originally posted by juggerman
He was giving everything he had left. I think Piccolo and maybe others commented on how Gohan's power took a big hit. Dunno if they actually said "half" tho

They said half if not more than half.

the only chance cell has is create cell jrs...and that still would be a big loss

Originally posted by juggerman
He was giving everything he had left. I think Piccolo and maybe others commented on how Gohan's power took a big hit. Dunno if they actually said "half" tho

Originally posted by Based
They said half if not more than half.

Thats because Gohan was intentionally holding back. Goku commented on this specifically.

The thing about Gohan's power level is that it explosively increases when it is most needed, it always does this. The several times to does with Frieza, Nappa, Raditz... It is not out of the norm for his power to have spiked insanely when combined with the SSj2 stage. Infact, it would be more akin to Broly's illogical power jumps than not...

Except Gohan did say he was giving it his all. Goku didn't believe him but when everyone's gonna die would he really hold back?

Originally posted by Based
Except Gohan did say he was giving it his all. Goku didn't believe him but when everyone's gonna die would he really hold back?

We see it the very next moment though, Gohan's power jumped drastically when he overpowered Cell, You certainly can't tell me he was going all out before that, because we can see that that is bull$h!t.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
We see it the very next moment though, Gohan's power jumped drastically when he overpowered Cell, You certainly can't tell me he was going all out before that, because we can see that that is bull$h!t.

But how much did his power drop when Cell hit him? And how much did his power increase with his "power spike"? Did it take him back to maximum? Did his power exceed his previous limits? Did it only take him to 75% of his original power? That's that part i think we would need to know.

By the way Dark who do you think takes the "W" here?

Vegeta and Goku blew cell in half...goku quit early that fight because he's lazy nowadays when technicly he could of beat Cell...

Yeah i'm thinking if they could completely obliterate half of him then had they altered their blasts a bit they could have taken him out for good

Originally posted by juggerman
But how much did his power drop when Cell hit him? And how much did his power increase with his "power spike"? Did it take him back to maximum? Did his power exceed his previous limits? Did it only take him to 75% of his original power? That's that part i think we would need to know.

I would say he would have exceeded his previous cap, because thats the way hit always worked before. His "rage mode" always seems to react to his opponents power. And lets be frank here, in order to overcome Super Cell, he would have had to make a jump of power that would have exceeded his previously demonstrated SSJ2 norms

Originally posted by juggerman
By the way Dark who do you think takes the "W" here?

I would have to still side with Broly here. The biggest issue is that Broly seems to have an unlimited Zenkai booster constantly going off. His power is much like Gohan's "rage mode", except that it doesn't need a prior reaction toi trigger, and it seems to be everlasting as long as he remains in LSSJ mode.

Super Cell would have to peg Broly very early on in the fight, like when he is in normal mode. After that, Broly shrugged off a hit from USSJ Vegeta in the back of the head and was completely oblivious to it. USSJ Vegeta actually caused Super Cell to stagger and take enough effort to repulse him while beaming at Gohan.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I would say he would have exceeded his previous cap, because thats the way hit always worked before. His "rage mode" always seems to react to his opponents power. And lets be frank here, in order to overcome Super Cell, he would have had to make a jump of power that would have exceeded his previously demonstrated SSJ2 norms

Was there ever anything to suggest Super Cell was superior to SSJ2 Gohan? I know he was superior to his Reg Perfect form but he never actually squared off against full powered Gohan like he did before he came back. He may have still been weaker than Gohan meaning Gohan wouldn't have had to exceed his initial power to overcome Cell

Originally posted by juggerman
Was there ever anything to suggest Super Cell was superior to SSJ2 Gohan? I know he was superior to his Reg Perfect form but he never actually squared off against full powered Gohan like he did before he came back. He may have still been weaker than Gohan meaning Gohan wouldn't have had to exceed his initial power to overcome Cell

Umm, the fact that his Zenkai boosted him to the point where he could use a death beam to render Gohan down an arm?

It has always been my opinion that when Cell regenerated into his Jesus form, he effectively ascended to a SSJ2. If you recall, after his resurrection bolts of lightning could be seen constantly surging all over his body-- just like a SSJ2. Here are some very blatant examples:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14158137/350508.gif.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14158148/350602.gif.html
Then tack on the fact that, by Cell's own accord, he received a "massive power up" from the resurrection, and I think it is sensible, and moreover logical, to assume that he became a SSJ2.