Captain America Shields Test

Originally posted by ODG
Perrikus cleaved it, Destroyer cleaved it, Destroyer wrecked it another time. Thor's rebuilt Mjolnir with little more than lightning at times (and a Pittsburgh steel forge another time). Molecule Man's musings between Cap's shield and Mjolnir heavily implied it was more durable.

Mjolnir has outperformed the shiled in a different area though:

Mjolnir was intact after and the shield had a chunk missing in it.

/shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
All of the above would damage Cap's shield as well, no?

You're not going to reforge Cap's shield with lightning or a Pittsburgh steel forge either. And Molecule Man wouldn't be more flabbergasted by the shield if it were structurally or compositionally inferior.

Originally posted by Galan007
All of the above would damage Cap's shield as well, no?

Well I recently learned something that I considered ludicrous at first, and it literally left me laughing. The shield was said to be 999 trillion times greater than Thor's damage output (that's quite a large number lol). I somehow could see an argument against Perri, or the Destroyer ruining it with the ease that they did when they slagged Mjolnir.

If we take Uru for what it was written to be without an enchantment, it really isn't that durable in it's base state. Then we see Thor with the hammer in hand, while in possession of the very same force that enchanted, and increased that very same Uru into a more durable state. Why couldn't Thor have been amplifying the hammer when he hit the shield?

I wouldn't have a problem believing that Mjolnir is more dangerous in Odin's hands than I would in Thor's hands. Would you?

Originally posted by ODG
Not at all. Especially seeing how a more powerful King Thor didn't do anything more than dent it in canon 616.

When the Destroyer blasted it:
[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13029803_t1.jpg]

When Molecule Man dispersed it:
[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13029804_t2.jpg]

When Perrikus cleaved it:
[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13029805_t3.jpg]

When a hammer collision between Thor, Fenris, Ulik, and Hyrm broke it:
[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13029806_t4.jpg]
[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13029807_t5.jpg]
[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13029808_t6.jpg]

Sorry, but I believe all of those forces would phuck up the shield as well (in MM's case, he already did.)

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...Unless the shield has tanked some of those forces-- in which case you begin to make more sense. 😉

Originally posted by Stoic
Have you considered what I wrote above?

Yea but I think arguments can be made for and against what you said. That's why I was interested in seeing how One Dumb and Galan was going to come up with something going with or against it (since you made a good point).

Originally posted by Stoic
Well I recently learned something that I considered ludicrous at first, and it literally left me laughing. The shield was said to be [b]999 trillion times greater than Thor's damage output (that's quite a large number lol). I somehow could see an argument against Perri, or the Destroyer ruining it with the ease that they did when they slagged Mjolnir.

If we take Uru for what it was written to be without an enchantment, it really isn't that durable in it's base state. Then we see Thor with the hammer in hand, while in possession of the very same force that enchanted, and increased that very same Uru into a more durable state. Why couldn't Thor have been amplifying the hammer when he hit the shield?

I wouldn't have a problem believing that Mjolnir is more dangerous in Odin's hands than I would in Thor's hands. Would you? [/B]

Anyway, it wasn't stated that Thor was amping the hammer when he struck Cap's shield, nor was the illustration indicative of such. Thus, there is no reason to assume said strike was dealt with anything more than a 'standard' Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Galan007
😂 Gotta love h1.

Anyway, it wasn't stated that Thor was amping the hammer when he struck Cap's shield, nor was the illustration indicative of such. Thus, there is no reason to assume said strike was dealt with anything more than a 'standard' Mjolnir.

I made a very clear point, you did not in any way overturn what I said. Uru was made to be stronger by the Odin force, and thus we have Mjolnir, and this is based firmly on it's history. Silent master brought up the figure, and it was confirmed by other posters. I was questioned on how i didn't know that.

Originally posted by Stoic
Wait, did you just call me a sock? I made a very clear point, you did not in any way overturn what I said. Uru was made to be stronger by the Odin force, and thus we have Mjolnir, and this is based firmly on it's history.

The rest of your points have nothing to do with anything I've mentioned.

Originally posted by Galan007
Mjolnir is a blunt object, though. It's going to dent, not cleave/puncture.

Regardless, the only instances I know of in which the shield was damaged/broken by outside forces was when the Destroyer blasted it:
[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13029803_t1.jpg]

When Molecule Man dispersed it:
[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13029804_t2.jpg]

When Perrikus cleaved it:
[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13029805_t3.jpg]

When a hammer collision between Thor, Fenris, Ulik, and Hyrm broke it:
[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13029806_t4.jpg]
[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13029807_t5.jpg]
[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13029808_t6.jpg]

Sorry, but I believe all of those forces would phuck up the shield as well (in MM's case, he already did.)

Perrikus' scythe and Destroyer's handbeams aren't slicing/shattering Cap's shield. A more powerful King Thor with the Odinforce didn't do anything more than dent it. I don't see ways around this.

It's taken less to reforge Mjolnir. Even a character whose very powerset revolves around molecules to such a great extent that he became the second most powerful being in the Marvel Universe held the shield above Mjolnir. I see no reason to think otherwise.

Originally posted by Galan007
😂 Gotta love h1.

Anyway, it wasn't stated that Thor was amping the hammer when he struck Cap's shield, nor was the illustration indicative of such. Thus, there is no reason to assume said strike was dealt with anything more than a 'standard' Mjolnir.

I think we can all agree that Thanos destroys it

^ superpoke

Yup. That's how easy it'll be for Thanos.

Glad we're on the same page

Also Iron Fist.

That's a given though. There's a reason he's not in this thread

Originally posted by ODG
Perrikus' scythe and Destroyer's handbeams aren't slicing/shattering Cap's shield. A more powerful King Thor with the Odinforce didn't do anything more than dent it. I don't see ways around this.

Originally posted by ODG
It's taken less to reforge Mjolnir. Even a character whose very powerset revolves around molecules to such a great extent that he became the second most powerful being in the Marvel Universe held the shield above Mjolnir.

And remember, that was the same n00b Molecule Man who couldn't even recreate Tony's armor correctly:
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13029922_t8.jpg]

Originally posted by Galan007
The more powerful King Thor struck the shield with a blunted object. Put a nice sharp edge on the hammer, and he would have sliced the shit out of the shield. IMO.

Originally posted by Galan007
No. All MM said is that the shield's molecules were the "weirdest" out of everything:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13029804/t2.jpg.html
Weirdness doesn't denote durability.

And remember, that was the same n00b Molecule Man who couldn't even recreate Tony's armor correctly:
[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13029922_t8.jpg]

Originally posted by ODG
And Cap's shield is at best an inch wide while Mjolnir is a compact sledge shape. This all means nothing. King Thor is more powerful than Perrikus and Destroyer's hand beams. I don't care to debate otherwise. I'm not going to elevate Perrikus or Destroyer to King Thor's level or beyond because of sharpyness.

As far as the Destroyer: it utilized energy to break Mjolnir-- which is vastly different that KT utilizing blunt force against the shield. So that comparison wasn't the best either.

Originally posted by ODG
Weird in the context of how it was "tough separating them" as he was mocking their supposed indestructibility.

Originally posted by Galan007
You said that King Thor only dented the shield, therefore a slash from Perrikus' scythe would be ineffective. I am just saying that the reason KT merely dented the shield is because he struck it with a blunted weapon. Give him a sharpened Mjolnir, and he'd flay the shield just as easily as he dented it... Same coin, Persuader isn't as powerful as KT either, but I bet that axe of his could chop the shield in half with ease... I view Perrikus (and his scythe) in a similar light, personally. /shrug

As far as the Destroyer: it utilized energy to break Mjolnir-- which is vastly different that KT utilizing blunt force against the shield. So that comparison wasn't the best either.

Meh, Owen commented that Mjolnir was 'tough' to separate due to the energies laced within the Uru. He said nothing about Tony's armor, Surfer's board, or Cap's shield being 'tough' to break down.

Just another example of a weaker being wrecking the crap out of Mjolnir as opposed to a superior being merely denting the shield.

There is no other context for the weirdness of those molecules to be had. He literally starts off saying, "I know what you're thinking! 'My invincible fill-in-the-blank -- gone! But no power could affect it! It's made of fill-in-the-blank!" He then dispels the notion of their invincibility because they can be (and were) reducible to mere molecules that follow his every whim. And the weirdest ones were the shield's. They weren't the weirdest between Mjolnir and Surfer's board because they smelled funnier. The import of his comment following the disintegration of each of the objects is obvious.

Weaker forces have wrecked Mjolnir. Weaker forces have restored Mjolnir. Molecule Man held the shield above Mjolnir. Doesn't get much more obvious.

Originally posted by ODG
Yes. A far more powerful being with a more powerful weapon damaged the shield far less than a weaker being with a weaker weapon damaged Mjolnir. I see no reason for sharpiness to come into the equation here when we're dealing with powers of a far different magnitude. Persuader =/= Perrikus =/= King Thor.

-Perrikus' scythe is a sharp object-- it cut Mjolnir as a sharp weapon would do. Give his scythe a blunted edge, and it wouldn't have had nearly the same effect on Mjolnir.
-Mjolnir is a blunt object-- it dented Cap's shield as a blunt weapon would do. Give Mjolnir a sharpened edge, and it would have cut the shield into paper mache. That's the difference.

You are overlooking the fact that the damage a weapon causes to whatever it strikes is dependent on the TYPE of weapon that's used (ie. pointed, sharpened, blunt, etc.) If Wolverine's claws had blunted tips, he wouldn't be cutting/stabbing the likes of Hulk, Rulk, Thanos, etc.(ALL of whom are VASTLY more powerful than he.) This is an easy concept to grasp-- the easiest, in fact.

Originally posted by ODG
There is no other context for the weirdness of those molecules to be had. He literally starts off saying, "I know what you're thinking! 'My invincible fill-in-the-blank -- gone! But no power could affect it! It's made of fill-in-the-blank!" He then dispels the notion of their invincibility because they can be (and were) reducible to mere molecules that follow his every whim. And the weirdest ones were the shield's. They weren't the weirdest between Mjolnir and Surfer's board because they smelled funnier. The import of his comment following the disintegration of each of the objects is obvious.

Weaker forces have wrecked Mjolnir. Weaker forces have restored Mjolnir. Molecule Man held the shield above Mjolnir. Doesn't get much more obvious.