Kuurth seems to be a relatively simple re-telling of the typical X-Men/Juggernaut battle. Just a slightly more "unstoppable" version of him than average. I googled some of the terms you gave me and actually came upon a video with some select scans from the magazine.Had me wondering:
It had me wondering "Who in the world is the girl attacking Juggernaut in that episode?"
If that was Pixie, she sure IS a powerful little thing ...
Only seen the creators of a series make a fairy lady THAT wonderfully and absurdly strong in one other instance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSMwgdts0TU&feature=channel&list=UL
(2 min 32 sec)
[Kidd Video Glitter aristeia]
I looked up the entry for Pixie in Wikipedia.
They don't list "superstrength" as one of her formal powers, but, if the weights of Wolverine (300 lbs) and the Fantastic Four's Thing (500 lbs) are what they once were, Pixie HAS to be reasonably strong to be doing something like this.
I certainly don't consider this a Hulk-level feat, but it IS impressive all the same ...
Wow. I think I can see your debate style - i.e. obfuscate the original point, then try and sidestep anything you can't answer.
Good tactic lol (and yes, in the Laughing Magician persona, I'm laughing out loud).
1) Great teleport tech scan. Now he can BFR Prime to a distance 4 metres or so away. You will undoubtedly try and spin off a tangent how it is not 4 metres etc, but the fact remains...its not an exact teleportation unit, and even Tony doesn't have it sussed yet. Also, to use your arguments, scans of it being used in battle like you said it would be, please?
2)That's not Pixie, that's Hope on page 17.
3) You STILL ignore my scan of the Red Hulk being unable to absorb non-gamma energies.
4) You admit you mainly read DC...and yet you are trying to argue against them, without knowing their opponents? Good call. With champions like you, who needs detractors?
5)Great scan dump of what Pixie is capable of. We all know who she is, and what she can do - you're the one who doesn't have a clue who she is (even though she was in WWH vs X-men).
7)BFR by Thor is the best bet for team Avengers. But I have already shown you how Prime busts out of BFR. In battle. Which is what you asked for. Guess you glossed over that...
6)You STILL ignore my scan of the Red Hulk being unable to absorb non-gamma energies.
I put that last point in twice, so you don't forget lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wow. I think I can see your debate style - i.e. obfuscate the original point, then try and sidestep anything you can't answer.Good tactic lol (and yes, in the Laughing Magician persona, I'm laughing out loud).
What exactly do you think I'm trying to sidestep?
I don't readily recall anything I've failed to answer that you asked me directly.
Originally posted by DarkSaint851) Great teleport tech scan. Now he can BFR Prime to a distance 4 metres or so away. You will undoubtedly try and spin off a tangent how it is not 4 metres etc, but the fact remains...its not an exact teleportation unit, and even Tony doesn't have it sussed yet.
Also, to use your arguments, scans of it being used in battle like you said it would be, please?
I'll see what I can do for you. That I found by simply Googling "Iron Man" and "teleport".
Also, BFR ing Prime isn't the only application for teleport.
As I mentioned before, the conventional fighting in this scenario by default is Thor and Hulk versus Prime. Iron Man, if caught by Prime, better have an answer for SBP heat vision, which he does (simply shifting his armor to reflective coating as shown before), and something to escape being crushed in a bearhugh or ripped apart.
Teleporting would fit the bill for the latter quite well.
Originally posted by DarkSaint852)That's not Pixie, that's Hope on page 17.
Thank you. That much I figured out after some Googling and re-checking of the scans, but it did take a moment. ("Why does this woman look so much like Jean Grey? Madelyne Pryor? Some young clone of Jean? Rachel with longer hair? Wait a minute, that's Pixie with that weird pink hair in the scan to that girl's left ... Alright. Let's just try "Kuurth" and "helmet" this time and see what that gives ... )
Originally posted by DarkSaint853) You STILL ignore my scan of the Red Hulk being unable to absorb non-gamma energies.
It's not being ignored; I just have no way to prove what you're saying is correct or not. I don't own Hulk #41 and have never read it.
And I already responded that, if Rulk cannot absorb non-gamma energies at this point, he is more or less a non-factor. Think I've done that several times actually.
Not something I ignored at all, rather something that had already been responded to and moved on from.
For if he's not a factor then it makes sense to go on to the people that ARE factors in this fight, namely Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk. Which, if you examine what I've posted, is exactly what I've been covering.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
4) You admit you mainly read DC...and yet you are trying to argue against them, without knowing their opponents? Good call. With champions like you, who needs detractors?
This is a debate tactic unworthy of you.
How many times do I need to see Superman Prime bleeding from mouth and nose before I understand "Wow. A punch of sufficient force makes Superboy Prime bleed. It hurts him. And ... look! He can be completely knocked out by enough or hard enough punches landing on him. Even if the guys punching him have no power beyond growing big".
How much do I need to see of World War Hulk to know that he is stronger than a Colossal Boy or 3? How many times do I need to see Thor using Mjolnir to open up dimensional warps against tough opponents before I realize "Say, he can utilize that against Prime, who has been transported away several times before and give the team a win by the BRF rules of this forum"?
How many times do YOU need to see something like that before the thought occurs to YOU?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
5)Great scan dump of what Pixie is capable of. We all know who she is, and what she can do - you're the one who doesn't have a clue who she is (even though she was in WWH vs X-men).
Thank you. As you yourself mentioned before, however, Pixie didn't actually DO anything in the World War Hulk versus X-Men battle.
Just because a person or people are present doesn't mean they're functioning to the best of their ability.
Which is exactly the point concerning the "high heralds" Prime faced before Sodam Yat. What exactly did they try that you would mistake for a well-coordinated, logical assault? You can see that the X-Men's effort against Kuurth was more intense and serious than the one against Hulk, yet cannot see that the JLA and Titans members were acting like Noobs against Prime?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
7)BFR by Thor is the best bet for team Avengers. But I have already shown you how Prime busts out of BFR. In battle. Which is what you asked for. Guess you glossed over that...
There was no glossing over that. Prime escaped from the Phantom Zone.
I asked for clarification on that much. I didn't get it.
Doesn't matter: I'll clarify it myself. Prime escaped from the Phantom Zone.
Now, what about the other places he DIDN'T escape from in time enough to satisfy BFR rules on this forum? Why are YOU glossing over those? Why do YOU ignore that Prime spent years trapped by the Flashes in the Speed Force, for instance? Why do you ignore that he spent so long post Crisis on Infinite Earths in that pocket dimension with Superman of Earth-2, Lois Lane of Earth-2, and Alexander Luthor that he (arguably?) went insane?
Why are YOU afraid to acknowledge that BFR has proved an effective technique againt Prime in the past?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
6)You STILL ignore my scan of the Red Hulk being unable to absorb non-gamma energies.I put that last point in twice, so you don't forget lol.
Not forgotten. Already answered.
Either he can or he can't.
If he can, there's good evidence that he'd be a match for a Prime and a factor in the Marvel Team's favor.
If he can't, he's a non-factor, the fighting weight must be carried by Thor and Hulk, who have a better than 50/50 chance of removing Prime from the field themselves, and Tony may or may not come up with something that makes the job easier.
Either way, the case of Rulk has been thoroughly covered.
And how the Marvel Team fares with OR without him.
What exactly do you think I'm forgetting or sidestepping?
It was more the points that I posted, i.e. \
1)Thor not being there during WWH (you then sidestepped and said hey, in this fight, he's with WWH),
2)you posting that Pixie could very well BFR Prime (though she's not here), then showcasing her lifting feats,
3)then on page 15, you wrote:
Red Hulk -- Rulk as he originally was would make this an enormously intriguing match-up. Still waiting for actual proof he can no longer absorb various energies, by the way.Despite me posting the scan with actual proof. On page 13. That's...ignoring the scan. I know you've said that you haven't read it personally, and therefore, cannot comment on it...but to disregard it as not being actual proof? That confused me. Doesn't take much, admittedly.
4) Well, admittedly, I did not counter the Speed Force example. They spent years in there - or was it years from the perspective of outsiders? Prime certainly had enough time to build that suit...but it was retconned to be stolen, not built.
In other words, time may pass differently in the Speed Force than it does outside. Prime may have only needed a second, a minute, an hour to break out...but by then, from outsiders' perspective, years have passed. Or he needs years to break out, but it seems like only seconds have passed from the outside perspective. We don't know for certain.
And I ignored the fact that they spent all that time in the pocket dimension, because they just wanted to stay there. Also, there was no yellow sun to power him. He still managed to cause ripples in reality (Jason Todd etc) whilst depowered. In fact, if you read back, I was the one who brought it up in the 1st place.
Whereas we have seen a clear cut example of him punching through dimensions when attacking Mxy (I posted scans) and the PZ. So no, not afraid to acknowledge its an effective tactic - if it was actually effective.
Lol @ Rulk being a non factor. That crap is funny. Prime can be koed with enough sufficient force and that force is on this team. Prime can be bfred which has been shown on numerous of occasions. Prime punching out of the phantom Zone, something that was shown to be physical in nature during the time Prime did this doesn't change the fact that Prime can be bfred to another dimension that doesn't shatter.
The scan was posted, guys.
Unless a contradicting scan can be brought to the table, then we have to assume that he no longer has said power.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol @ Rulk being a non factor. That crap is funny. Prime can be koed with enough sufficient force and that force is on this team. Prime can be bfred which has been shown on numerous of occasions. Prime punching out of the phantom Zone, something that was shown to be physical in nature during the time Prime did this doesn't change the fact that Prime can be bfred to another dimension that doesn't shatter.
Rulk isn't beating Prime, though.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol @ Rulk being a non factor. That crap is funny. Prime can be koed with enough sufficient force and that force is on this team. Prime can be bfred which has been shown on numerous of occasions. Prime punching out of the phantom Zone, something that was shown to be physical in nature during the time Prime did this doesn't change the fact that Prime can be bfred to another dimension that doesn't shatter.
How about the 5th Dimension?