Originally posted by Delta1938
You argue that Juggernaut has arguably greater durability than Superboy Prime?
Yep.
Originally posted by Delta1938
And you're bringing-up what's proven to be harmful to SBP.
Yep.
Originally posted by Delta1938
The worst I've seen so far is both Superboy and Wonder Girl(who are what? High-End Mid-Tiers? Low-Level Top-Tiers?) have affected him with their punches. Far as I can tell, these are his bad showings. What on the other hand have I seen harm Juggernaut? This.[candelabra splash panel]
I'll be waiting for your double standard to dismiss this and defend your use of lowballing SBP.
Double standard? I have no idea what's going on in that panel you're showing. Nor, not knowing where that is from or seeing more than a panel or two from it, do I have any explanation for it.
I'd be surprised if you did. Actually, if there are no extenuating circumstances, I'd be REAL surprised if the writer had any explanation for it, either.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Delta,You took the time to write all of that so I'll respond with courtesy and say "Thank you."
However, everything you mention has another side.
How am I viewed by other posters?
Not really a concern for me.You talk about people like Blight.
Do I personally know him?
Have I ever interacted with or attacked him for anything on any occasion?
There's no justification for him responding the way he did and he himself knows it. I am using the boards exactly the way they were intended to be used, and violating no rules. Can he say the same? Can you?But as someone who has contributed through a multitude of comicbook scans to my reading enjoyment, I will point out to you that my click-able links are, ultimately a concession to you. Notice that they present all in one place and all in one post, complete with reference information.
They even have tags to illustrate their relevance to the thread topic.
I seriously doubt you can say even your links have significant advantage or more user-friendliness than that.
I don't even know what you mean about "user-friendly" if you're talking about your way of showing scans. Photobucket might be a little less user-friendly initially, but after I figured it out, it's much, much better than having to upload a file each time I want to present new scans on here. Easier for me to put everything I want(like putting an entire fight in one album so I just need one link to show it), or if I want to show a specific image, or a few, I can just click on the "IMG code" on the right and paste the link/command here.
And I have much easier and more accessible way to find and bring scans back in other threads, or if I need to repost the previous. And that's not even going into just how extensively I've organized my scans by categories and sub-categories(for instance, Durability has sections like "Immense Force" with further sub-sections, or having lifting and similar, striking and similar, relative strength and misc strength feats under Strength).
But as for how others view you, I was using Blight because he was the most visible example. You might not care what others think of you as a person, but you should care how others think of you as a poster. I'm sure many, many people who post, or just read, on this site view you as simply spamming up the threads. How can you hope to make a clear argument if others simply see that and skim through or skip over your scans?
As for the topic, I continue to stand-by my point that you're lowballing Superboy Prime and arguing he has to continue fighting in-character, but you're not using the same standards for the Avengers' side you're arguing for. Thor had to die and come back before trying BFRing on Destroyer(and I should note he had tried other things like insanely bad weather even before he died) despite having had history and knowing how hard Destroyer is to put-down. And had fought Juggernaut more than once, poorly in fact, before resorting to the tactics you're presenting.
In other words, double standards. If we go by typical showings, both them fighting in-character and level of power, Superboy Prime either kills them or otherwise incapacitates them before they figure-out tactics that are actually effective.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Yep.Yep.
Double standard? I have no idea what's going on in that panel you're showing. Nor, not knowing where that is from or seeing more than a panel or two from it, do I have any explanation for it.
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I'd be surprised if you did. Actually, if there are no extenuating circumstances, I'd be REAL surprised if the [b]writer
I've seen the full example before. Aside from Juggy's force field might have been down, I don't recall any context being left-out. Just a bad showing for Juggernaut. Bad showings happen. Superboy Prime's is being hurt by High-End Mid-Tiers/Low-End Top-Tiers punching him. And yet you're acting as if it's his typical showings.
What explanation do you have if Superboy Prime shrugs-off amped punches from Black Adam, or can't be put-down by MULTIPLE Top-Tiers beating him up WHEN HE'S WEAKENED but is effected individually by Kon or Wonder Girl while at full-power?
Originally posted by Blight
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"Bashing" can be left-up to interpretation, but in a PM checking to see if a couple things I wanted to post were ok, a mod told me that vulgarity is limited to PG-13 levels. That's why you can say "shit" without issue(in fact I've seen a few mods do this) but "f*ck" would be censored. Oddly though, "b!tch" gets censored as well, and I'd think that it'd be PG-13. Also, worth mentioning, movies are allowed to get away with using the F-word twice and still be PG-13(I read about one movie had to edit out a couple times to get the PG-13 rating shot for), so technically one could say it once or twice and get away with it if we were to go by the literal PG-13 standards.
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Originally posted by Delta1938
Thor ... had fought Juggernaut more than once, poorly in fact, before resorting to the tactics you're presenting.
Prove this please.
Juggernaut versus Thor and The New Warriors is the first instance I know of for Thor taking on Juggernaut, ever.
I'd genuinely appreciate knowing if they had something before that, but I don't think they did.
Note too, I have not been suggesting Thor would have an easy time fighting SBP. I am sure Superboy Prime WOULD give him a hard battle.
But this is not Thor taking on Prime alone. This is Thor with at least the assistance of Rulk and World War Hulk, assuming Ares, War Machine, and perhaps even Iron Man have not ALL been killed. And the history of those characters, Hulk at least, suggests they're not just going to wait around and let Thor be pounded into a bloody pulp. So you'd essentially have the case of Thor and New Warriors versus Juggernaut, with the "New Warriors" (Iron Man, Rulk, and World War Hulk) giving Thor the time he needs to recover enough for Round 2 against "Juggernaut" (SBP).
Originally posted by Delta1938
What explanation do you have if Superboy Prime shrugs-off amped punches from Black Adam, or can't be put-down by MULTIPLE Top-Tiers beating him up WHEN HE'S WEAKENED but is effected individually by Kon or Wonder Girl while at full-power?
I don't know all that much about Black Adam so I can't comment about him specifically. Were it Captain Marvel you were talking about, immediately the question would come "Are Mary Marvel and Freddy Marvel splitting the Shazam power with him? (Meaning CM would be at only about 1/3 rd his normal strength, according to some comics.)
If you're talking about amped punches, you presumably mean amped with magic, which Superboy Prime is generally more resistant to than the average Kryptonian. If he's only getting hit with magic aura (I don't remember what the specific scene you're talking about looks like, I'm envisioning an Alan Scott-type construct or glow around Black Adam's hands) it would only make sense his attacks were less effective than the blows of purely strong, or even magically strong opponents attacking only with their fists.
As for "can't be put down by multiple top tiers, while weakened", that's actually easily explained, too, for the really heavy hitters tend to constrain themselves when they know there's a chance a friend could catch their blow by mistake in the melee. This is actually one point brought up with Hulk fighting against Zeus. He was angry at Skaar and the others trying to help him in his fight because their presence, presumably, meant it would be difficult for him to fully unload the way he'd need in order to stand a chance. A theory, supported, by the way, by Hulk able to go World Breaker and shatter a planet with residual energy once isolated in the Dark Dimension and assured his friends would survive.
One-on-one, with nothing to lose, heroes tend to throw down quite a bit more intensely.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
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