Superboy Prime vs The Avengers

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Problem for your analogy is, Prime's Plan A (punching everything to death) is all that's needed.

His Plan B, which is BFRing, which he has done in battle (i.e. Sodom Yat and Black Adam) and out (i.e. the Anti Monitor) will take care of the rest.

I agree that the Plan B OUTSIDE of actual fighting would be a serious danger, in fact THE most serious danger the Avengers would have with Prime.

It's just that's not what Prime does in an actual fight.

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BFRing Sodam Yat?
Help me out here, for I don't remember that scene happening.

I saw the two combatants go at it for several pages of intense fighting and Prime eventually get the upper hand, putting Yat in near-death condition. Then holding Yat triumphantly by his side and asking who was next to try him out.

But no BFR.

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Anti-Monitor, as pointed out before, was not an active combatant when that happened.

Fighting was over for him.

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As for Black Adam, it's true he was removed from the field of battle, but Prime himself had no intention of doing that to Adam, and, in fact, was surprised when it happened, needing Alexander Luthor to explain it to him.

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As for Plan A, I'll need some convincing. Hulk not only took the Torch's milion degree Nova Flame, Wolverine's claws, adamantium bullets and the loss of his eyes while his healing factor was removed by that mutant near the X-Mansion, he also took the Sentry unloading with everything he had and Zom using supernatural might to punch large holes straight through his body. To take out Hulk, Prime would not only have to give attacks that exceeded Hulk's durability, he'd also have to do something to take him out despite that insane healing factor. To say little of teammates like Thor interceding on Hulk's behalf to prevent any casualities.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Can this thread be closed now its run its course and now its an eye sore 😬. Newjak free cookie if you closed dis 😱

As regards to the Anti-Monitor - so you accept that he is physically capable of BFRing someone, yes?

Originally posted by carver9
WWH fts didn't just happen in World at War and I already proved this with a scan. I can understand the mods limiting WBH from WWH but getting rid of EVERYTHING related to WWH is basically just downplaying the character. The thread starter said WWH and WWH existed "after" the World at War arc in which I proved with a scan.

Differentiating between the normal WWH/Green Scar and Worldbreaker Hulk isn't really that hard.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

As regards to the Anti-Monitor - so you accept that he is physically capable of BFRing someone, yes?

I accepted that Prime is physically CAPABLE of BFRing someone even before that was presented in this thread.

It's not a question of whether or not he is physically capable.

It's a question of whether or not IN A FIGHT Prime, IN CHARACTER, is likely to deliberately do such a thing.

Originally posted by Delta1938

Face it, Blue. The team here doesn't have the power to put Superboy Prime down without you resorting to lowballing, and are unlikely to regularly use the tactics that would be required TO beat him. They don't know about red solar energy or Kryptonite ...

Basic Knowledge

Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I accepted that Prime is physically CAPABLE of BFRing someone even before that was presented in this thread.

It's not a question of whether or not he is physically capable.

It's a question of whether or not IN A FIGHT Prime, IN CHARACTER, is likely to deliberately do such a thing.

As per mod ruling, Kryptonite can't be used.

Red sun energy is possible, but you'll have to block off the yellow sun, destroy his suit, and then cause him to expend his energy stores. But if he so much as gets a handful of sun, then he's back to normal.

Also, I showed you SBP BFRing Sodam Yat. You replied to my point about the AM, so am guessing you saw the scan.

Originally posted by Uriel005
he'd probably accidentally skypunch hulk and go looking for him as hulk rages at drifting through space.

Actually, I was going to respond that Prime's battlefield removal of Yat was something of this sort rather than a consciously planned tactic to defeat the Daxamite.

Prime didn't seem to have any more awareness of where Yat would land than Yat did.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Actually, I was going to respond that Prime's battlefield removal of Yat was something of this sort rather than a consciously planned tactic to defeat the Daxamite.

Prime didn't seem to have any more awareness of where Yat would land than Yat did.

Ok...so we have established that he is physically capable.

We have also established that he lashes out wildly, in character, and this results in BFR (BA, Sodam Yat).

He lashes out wildly, and uppercuts Hulk into space.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As per mod ruling, Kryptonite can't be used.

Red sun energy is possible, but you'll have to block off the yellow sun, destroy his suit, and then cause him to expend his energy stores. But if he so much as gets a handful of sun, then he's back to normal.

Also, I showed you SBP BFRing Sodam Yat. You replied to my point about the AM, so am guessing you saw the scan.

The BFRing of Yat, as I mentioned a moment ago, doesn't seem deliberate. Prime punched, Yat went. Prime followed.
He wasn't trying to get rid of Yat by putting distance between the two of them. If that were true, why go after Yat to resume the fight?

Also, Kryptonite is not part of my plans and never was, but, where exactly do you get that mod ruling says Kryptonite can't be used?

In the Forum Rules link I just presented you, Superman's vulnerability to Kryptonite is given as one specific EXAMPLE of "GENERAL Knowledge".

Where are you getting YOUR information from??

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok...so we have established that he is physically capable.

We have also established that he lashes out wildly, in character, and this results in BFR (BA, Sodam Yat).

He lashes out wildly, and uppercuts Hulk into space.

'Kay.

War Machine retrieves him while THOR now takes the fight to SBP.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
'Kay.

War Machine retrieves him while THOR now takes the fight to SBP.

War Machine was destroyed, he only bought precious moments for the Avengers before being ripped up.

As for the Kryptonite:

So. The Avengers will know he is weak to K-nite. Good luck making it in the first place, and then good luck in getting the exact same K-nite that will affect him!!!

Originally posted by Uriel005
he'd probably accidentally skypunch hulk and go looking for him as hulk rages at drifting through space.

Same can happen to Prime and based on Hulk durability, more than likely, he isn't getting bfred.

Originally posted by carver9
Same can happen to Prime and based on Hulk durability, more than likely, he isn't getting bfred.

But....Prime can fly. And putting him into space, out of the Earth's atmosphere, would enable him to get more of the Sun's rays, charging him up even faster.

By durability, you mean Prime's fist would go through Hulk rather than uppercutting him?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

The Avengers will know he is weak to K-nite. Good luck making it in the first place, and then good luck in getting the exact same K-nite that will affect him!!!

As said from Day One: Kryptonite? NOT part of my plans.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
War Machine was destroyed, he only bought precious moments for the Avengers before being ripped up.

No, that was Ares.

He was the aggressive one with the axe, remember?

Thor attacked Prime in retaliation for that.

Then, Tony, realizing Thor would need some help, being by nature emotionally distant enough to continue despite the schock, sent Rulk and Hulk to help Thor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But....Prime can fly. And putting him into space, out of the Earth's atmosphere, would enable him to get more of the Sun's rays, charging him up even faster.

By durability, you mean Prime's fist would go through Hulk rather than uppercutting him?

No, what I mean is, Hulk body can take a punch from Prime without flying off like he has done consistently in comics. It's hard to knock Hulk off of his ft "unless" you are stronger than him and me personally, I don't think Prime is stronger than one of the strongest Hulks in existence.

Then, its not consistent for Prime to bfr so why would he do it here? It's not in character for him. You also keep bringing up Prime power growing, "forgetting that Hulk has that luxury as well but at a faster pace. Any way you look at it Dark, you are just clearly wrong on all accounts.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

No, that was Ares.

He was the aggressive one with the axe, remember?

Thor attacked Prime in retaliation for that.

Then, Tony, realizing Thor would need some help, being by nature emotionally distant enough to continue despite the schock, sent Rulk and Hulk to help Thor.

I don't imagine it has that kind of power on its own today, but any 21st century Iron Man OR War Machine armor should pack enough punch to give valuable moments of distraction against Prime.

And after the valuable moments of distraction, knowing how much of a brat Prime is, you don't think he'd just rip Tony/Rhodey apart after they fired their missiles/lasers at him?

'Oh no, my good men, you have fired your ammunition at me, distracting me for a few moments. Being SBP, I will allow you to carry along your merry way'.

Or:

'YOU FIRED AT ME! YOU CALL YOURSELVES HEROES? YOU'RE JUST TWO GUYS IN A TIN SUIT, YOU'RE NOTHING RAAARGH'

*rips them apart*

Even if Thor IS now fighting SBP, we have seen with the Ion fight he does not restrict himself to one area. He punches Thor so hard he flies miles away, then chases after him. All at superspeed. So Rulk/Hulk would be hard pressed to predict where the fight lands next, as SBP is just lashing out.

Originally posted by carver9
No, what I mean is, Hulk body can take a punch from Prime without flying off like he has done consistently in comics. It's hard to knock Hulk off of his ft "unless" you are stronger than him and me personally, I don't think Prime is stronger than one of the strongest Hulks in existence.

Then, its not consistent for Prime to bfr so why would he do it here? It's not in character for him. You also keep bringing up Prime power growing, "forgetting that Hulk has that luxury as ell but at a faster pace. Any way you look at it Dark, you are just clearly wrong on all accounts.

Not all accounts. He would do it because he will throw a tantrum at being unable to physically beat Hulk down. That's pretty in character, won't you say?

What about Rulk's ability to absorb Primes power, and rise above him as he did to several of his opponents in the past?