Superboy Prime vs The Avengers

For clarifications sake:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If Jeph Loeb writes this, Red Hulk wins by absorbing the cocktail of energies (solar, gamma, cosmic, whatever) in Prime's body and beats him within an inch of his life. The heroes may or may not have to fight Rulk themselves at that point. Historically that answer would depend on whether or not Rulk saw the chance to recruit Prime, any allies Prime came with, for some pet government related cause.

If Greg Pak writes this, Rulk is a non-factor, but World War Hulk turns World Breaker after Prime takes out much of the rest of the field. After trading a few punches, Hulk knocks Prime clear into another dimension with one really big punch, and Prime, despite talk of how "next time" he's going to turn that "Big Green Salad-Headed Idiot" inside out, wisely finds ways to avoid the Marvel Universe from that point on.

Its interesting how you've twisted things into favor of anti-prime considering your assertion here. Since we've established the fact that both rulk cant absorb and wbh isn't in the picture, you'd think your opinion would have changed.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
In all likelihood, what I wrote above IS what happens if Greg Pak writes this. The man had Hulk destroy an entire PLANET (arguably an entire dimension) with RESIDUAL energy. Not some direct assault, merely the shockwave of a collision with his wife. Prime's not taking a punch from anybody THAT strong without getting KO'd, not judging by what's hurt and bloodied him in the past.

As I said, it is only if you ignore what has actually happened to Prime in the comics that you come to a different conclusion.

Except....that was WBH that did all that. This thread has WWH. Only if you ignore what has actually been ruled in this forum can you come to a different conclusion.

Originally posted by Blight
For clarifications sake.

Its interesting how you've twisted things into favor of anti-prime considering your assertion here. Since we've established the fact that both rulk cant absorb and wbh isn't in the picture, you'd think your opinion would have changed.

What's interesting to note is that you include my quote about Rulk from that first page as if I myself presented it in my last post, which I did not.

As odd as this may seem. Red Hulk may be the teams largest key to winning this. Unless the scan of him is not meant to be Loeb era Rulk.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
What's interesting to note is that you include my quote about Rulk from that first page as if I myself presented it in my last post, which I did not.

More than likely he was attempting to add an addendum to my post, but others posted in the interval (including yourself). Time is interesting like that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except....that was WBH that did all that. This thread has WWH. Only if you ignore what has actually been ruled in this forum can you come to a different conclusion.

There's no exception.
That's the quote of mine you referred me to.

That IS what I believed Greg Pak would write when I first wrote that.

That is what I believe Greg Pak would write now, for that matter.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
What's interesting to note is that you include my quote about Rulk from that first page as if I myself presented it in my last post, which I did not.

Originally posted by Stoic
As odd as this may seem. Red Hulk may be the teams largest key to winning this. Unless the scan of him is not meant to be Loeb era Rulk.

Page 12. Damborgson clarifies that its current Rulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
More than likely he was attempting to add an addendum to my post, but others posted in the interval (including yourself). Time is interesting like that.

He had the option of editing, and DID edit his message, and still left that in there, several minutes before I gave my response.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
There's no exception.
That's the quote of mine you referred me to.

That IS what I believed Greg Pak would write when I first wrote that.

That is what I believe Greg Pak would write now, for that matter.

Cool, OK. Not that it matters, as Pak is handed a brief telling him to specifically stick to using WWH only......

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
He had the option of editing, and DID edit his message, and still left that in there, several minutes before I gave my response.

I think bluewater has now changed from his initial post, or perhaps he had several strategies in reserve should the initial two not pan out.

We have successfully shown that the Rulk used in this thread cannot absorb non gamma energy. And we have mod rulings that WBH cannot be used in a WWH thread.

Fine, next tactic: the use of BFR by Thor. Bluewater, would you agree this is the next point we need to address?

How often does that happen. Would you say more or less than prime?

Originally posted by Blight
I'm pointing out that despite the revelation that your previous two points have been successfully refuted, you've continued to claim prime loses.

The Rulk point has been refuted.

The second point has not, and, going by what we've seen in the comics, I doubt any arbitrary ruling like that would actually make sense.

World War Hulk is merely the pre-cursor to World Breaker.
Happens at the end of World War Hulk when Miek reveals his betrayal.

Happened a 2nd time for reasons I need to review; I only seem to remember the Spider-man comment about that scene and some elderly couple in Connecticut or the like commenting on World Breaker's reappearance.

Happened the 3rd time when World War Hulk was transferred to Umar's Dark Dimension, a place where he knew he could fully unleash himself without harming innocents.

The transition to WorldBreaker, judging from the comics, is situation dependent.

If you place World War Hulk in surroundings free of innocents, have him in circumstances where some young mocking lunatic is taunting him and telling him what he will do to his wife and everyone he loves, that he is too weak to save them, a failure as a hero, and Hulk knows the intent is real, the possibility is real, and Lunatic Boy has ripped apart a person (Ares, nearly everyone seems in agreement that, IF someone is going to go out, it's likeliest to be him), it doesn't make any sense that he's not going to go to true WorldBreaker form.

No ruling, if you DO manage to get one, is going to change that reality.

It's not the comics say will happen.

It's almost as natural as Superboy Prime becoming stronger during the day, after the night and it's lack of yellow sunlight have passed.

Note, however, despite the misinterpretation of DS, the 2 musings I presented on page 1 are not the only options of the Avengers with better than average chance of getting them majority wins.

I've seen nothing yet to make me believe Prime would do better than 40% given the conditions set forth in the original post.

It was mod ruled.

Sorry -- the line after that "No ruling ..." sentence should be:

"It's not WHAT the comics say will happen.",

not

"It's not the comics say will happen".

Originally posted by Blight
I don't see why its relevant either way. Sounds like you're trying to dodge the point.

What DOESN'T sound like I'm trying to "dodge the point" to you?

For that matter, what point have you made for me TO dodge?

I've told people to ask me directly in highlights what they wanted answered so it doesn't get missed and I'm still getting this charge.

But here's the test: What can you actually SHOW me relevant to this thread that I've failed to answer you on?

The reality is that I am one person and there are several of you.

DS, Delta, you, P.R., Iceman, Diesel ...

It takes time to answer 5 or more people, or even to read what they present. Nor, given that few if any of you concern yourself with answering MY questions the moment they are asked, does it make sense to expect me to respond so much faster than any other poster here on demand.

And the relevance of you including the Rulk opinion as a current one, instead of just quoting what is germane, is to illustrate the tendency you and others have to try and portray me in the worst light you can.

I'm actually amazed, though he's certainly taken his shots at me, that Delta admitted he understood the reason I post scans the way I do, and went through the trouble of explaining that to others.

Check the character ruling thread, please.

WWH feats happened in the World War Hulk arc. Planet Hulk/Green Scar feats happened in Planet Hulk & World War Hulk, since he was called Green Scar in both. WBH feats happened at the end World War Hulk and in Heart of the Monster.

...

So let's sum this up, okay. When citing feats from World War Hulk, we don't use Planet Hulk feats. When citing feats from Heart of the Monster, we don't use Stay Angry feats. There is only one, green skinned, Banner Hulk who happens to have appeared in multiple arcs (go figure) with varying displays of power (). If a thread specifies WWH, then we use WWH feats. If a thread says Green Scar Hulk, then it's Planet Hulk and WWH feats. If a thread just Says Hulk, then it's all fair game barring any current arcs which would negate using those feats.

So, this thread specified WWH. So we use WWH's feats. Not really THAT hard to understand, but then, I am simple, and only grasp simple things - there may well be hidden contextual meanings which I miss.

I disagree with that rule, so we can all ignore it.

Originally posted by Mindset
I disagree with that rule, so we can all ignore it.

That's ok, I disagree with you and your choloroform-centric rape methodology.