Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thor -- Electricity - examples of SBP being affected, please?
No problem.
You yourself gave the one of Black Lightning, which, while not hurting Prime in his suit, still meant time Prime wasn't tearing people apart.
Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds gives us another instance of electricity being used to affect Prime:
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URL Bank. Prime zapped and temporarily BFRed by Lightning Legionnaires.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019379
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019409
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019427
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019442
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019449
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Source: Final Crisis. Legion of 3 Worlds #4, Volume 1.
Writer: Geoff Johns
Penciller: George Perez
Date: June 2009
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Crisis:_Legion_of_3_Worlds_Vol_1_4
Prime BFRed by Lightning Legionnaires and Flashes.
Click-able link version.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019379
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019409
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019427
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019442
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019449
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Source: Final Crisis. Legion of 3 Worlds #4, Volume 1.
Writer: Geoff Johns
Penciller: George Perez
Date: June 2009
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Crisis:_Legion_of_3_Worlds_Vol_1_4
Thor versus Juggernaut 2. Thor429.
(Or: "How does Thor deal with a dangerous being too tough to deal with by his conventional means?"😉
URL Bank.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016339
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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016342
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016348
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016351
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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016357
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Source: Thor #429, Volume 1
Writer: Tom DeFalco
Penciller: Ron Frenz
Date: February 1991
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_Vol_1_429
Thor versus Juggernaut 2. Thor429.
Or: "How does Thor deal with a dangerous being too tough to deal with by his conventional means?"
(Especially once battle-testing the opponent has PROVEN conventional tactics don't work.)
Click-able LINK version.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016339
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016340
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016342
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016348
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016351
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016354
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016357
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016359
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016363
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016368
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14016371
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Source: Thor #429, Volume 1
Writer: Tom DeFalco
Penciller: Ron Frenz
Date: February 1991
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_Vol_1_429
He's saying that Thor would BFR Prime, when he finds him too hot to handle, if I read him correctly.
Although we have already shown that its not a definite win, as Prime has punched through dimensions before, especially when he has amps such as his suit. When he was BFRed into the Speed Force, with his suit he was able to break out. Without the suit, he was able to break out of the PZ.
Plus, of course, it ignores the fact that Prime is a whiney tantrum baby, and may well attempt to BFR the others before this.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's saying that Thor would BFR Prime, when he finds him too hot to handle, if I read him correctly.
Correct.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Although we have already shown that its not a definite win ...
Don't know why you're using "although".
Definite wins don't get debated.
Nobody seriously wonders if Galactus can beat Spider-Man, for instance.
It's the fights that are relatively close, have factors worthy of consideration on both sides, that make a topic discussion-worthy on this forum. Prime in-character versus the roster here is a close fight.
The Avengers team is likelier to take the win than Prime, but, if it's based on the comics, and honestly considering the personality and battle experience of both sides, it's going to a close fight for both sides ... and likely costly.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Prime has punched through dimensions before, especially when he has amps such as his suit. Without the suit, he was able to break out of the Phantom Zone.
True, Prime was able to punch out of the Phantom Zone.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Prime has punched through dimensions before, especially when he has amps such as his suit. When he was BFRed into the Speed Force, with his suit he was able to break out.
You might have simply missed a punctuation mark or something, but Prime was actually removed into the Speed Force by the Flashes WITHOUT his suit.
Apparently, he actually designed the suit to get OUT of the Speed Force.
Apparently, doing so took several YEARS for Prime to accomplish, according to both Bart Allen, which you've seen before, and Prime himself:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's saying that Thor would BFR Prime, when he finds him too hot to handle ... ignores the fact that Prime is a whiney tantrum baby, and may well attempt to BFR the others before this.
DS, I'm not ignoring the fact that Prime is a whiney tantrum baby.
I am very much taking that into account.
However, YOU are ignoring the fact that this is a 6 member team that Prime is facing, and that all 6 have to be cleared off the board before Prime gets his win.
By the way -- it's still your move.
Remember, so far we got Ares taken violently down.
(Was he ripped apart with Prime's bare hands or heat-visioned blasted through? "Remind" me, please.)
At that point, Thor instantly realized the kind of danger they were facing and threw Mjolnir at Prime, just like he did Terrax in that Heroes Reborn storyline, Chapter 2, I think it was, after Terrax dispatched Hawkeye.
At which point Prime, pissed by being hit with Mjolnir, tries to pick it up and throw it right back at/through Thor. Which, despite his strength, he isn't able to do, since Mjolnir can only be lifted by those worthy to do so. While he's struggling doing so, THAT gives Rulk and World War Hulk the opportunity to close the distance.
Did Prime engage Hulk at that point?
Did Thor tell Prime he lacks the strength of character necessary to wield Mjolnir, or wisely let him stay there a moment for the team to re-collect itself?
What did Prime himself do after facing the humilation of not being able to lift that "simple hammer", as Juggernaut and Savage Hulk and many other proud and arrogant strongmen before him?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
DS, I'm not ignoring the fact that Prime is a whiney tantrum baby.I am very much taking that into account.
However, YOU are ignoring the fact that this is a 6 member team that Prime is facing, and that all 6 have to be cleared off the board before Prime gets his win.
By the way -- it's still your move.
Remember, so far we got Ares taken violently down.(Was he ripped apart with Prime's bare hands or heat-visioned blasted through? "Remind" me, please.)
At that point, Thor instantly realized the kind of danger they were facing and threw Mjolnir at Prime, just like he did Terrax in that Heroes Reborn storyline, Chapter 2, I think it was, after Terrax dispatched Hawkeye.
At which point Prime, pissed by being hit with Mjolnir, tries to pick it up and throw it right back at/through Thor. Which, despite his strength, he isn't able to do, since Mjolnir can only be lifted by those worthy to do so. While he's struggling doing so, THAT gives Rulk and World War Hulk the opportunity to close the distance.
Did Prime engage Hulk at that point?
Did Thor tell Prime he lacks the strength of character necessary to wield Mjolnir, or wisely let him stay there a moment for the team to re-collect itself?
What did Prime himself do after facing the humilation of not being able to lift that "simple hammer", as Juggernaut and Savage Hulk and many other proud and arrogant strongmen before him?
Remember, so far we got Ares taken violently down.(Was he ripped apart with Prime's bare hands or heat-visioned blasted through? "Remind" me, please.)
At that point, Thor instantly realized the kind of danger they were facing and threw Mjolnir at Prime, just like he did Terrax in that Heroes Reborn storyline, Chapter 2, I think it was, after Terrax dispatched Hawkeye.
At which point Prime, pissed by being hit with Mjolnir, tries to pick it up and throw it right back at/through Thor. Which, despite his strength, he isn't able to do, since Mjolnir can only be lifted by those worthy to do so. While he's struggling doing so, THAT gives Rulk and World War Hulk the opportunity to close the distance.
Did Prime engage Hulk at that point?
Did Thor tell Prime he lacks the strength of character necessary to wield Mjolnir, or wisely let him stay there a moment for the team to re-collect itself?
What did Prime himself do after facing the humilation of not being able to lift that "simple hammer", as Juggernaut and Savage Hulk and many other proud and arrogant strongmen before him?
Ok i like this. Let's see:
Prime fails to lift the hammer and Thor explains why (as he usually does). Prime gets even more serious as he strains to prove himself "worthy". The ground begins to tremble and Thor gets nervous Prime might actually override the enchantments.
But before it is confirmed he can or cannot Rulk drops Prime with a "double axe handle" to Primes head. Ross then begins to pummble Prime with a flurry of punches while he rants about being the one who brought down the mighty surfer and KO'd a Watcher! How could such a puny kid hope to contend?
Prime answers by effortlessly catching one of Rulk's fists and breaking his arm. Prime talks about how they aren't true heros and on his Earth everything was better and he was the only hero. He was the "strongest there is"!
Well Hulk doesn't take too kindly to this and engages Prime in a hit for hit type deal that they both love to do.
While all that went on (which really would be in the span of about 20 seconds) IM and Thor are trying to come up with a plan while WM tries to aid Hulk in taking down the wild child.
WM notices that Hulk seems to be slowly losing his bout with Prime and decides to unload full force on Prime giving Hulk the chance to gain the upperhand. This seems to annoy Prime more than anything and he quickly flies to WM and rips/cuts/punches him in half.
With two members dead and one seriously injured the Avengers are in deep doo doo.....
To be continued....
After witnessing this Stark can no long hold Thor at bay and Thor and Hulk take the fight to Prime. They beat on Prime and Prime beats on them. Blood is flying everywhere. Prime makes a joke about all this red and green blood reminding him of Christmas.
Thor is even more pissed off now that Prime is taking the killing of his friends so lightly. He instructs Hulk to back off and begins to rain lightning down on Prime.
When the dust settles they see not only is Prime still standing but he is laughing! Rulk ,embarrased at what the kid did to him earlier, decides to sap some of Hulk's strength to better combat this foe. Hulk doesn't like this too much and the two begin to bicker.
After a few seconds of this they hear a very loud "THUD". When they turn to see what has happened the see SBP standing over a KO'd Thor. The can't help but notice Thor is still cluching his hammer which is resting neatly on his own face. The Hulks both facepalm....
Originally posted by juggerman
Prime fails to lift the hammer and Thor explains why
(as he usually does). Prime gets even more serious as he strains to prove himself "worthy". The ground begins to tremble and Thor gets nervous Prime might actually override the enchantments.
Superman actually lifted Mjolnir once and Prime is insanely strong so this part sounds accurate enough ...
Originally posted by juggermanBut before it is confirmed he can or cannot Rulk drops Prime with a "double axe handle" to Primes head. Ross then begins to pummel Prime with a flurry of punches while he rants about being the one who brought down the mighty surfer and KO'd a Watcher! How could such a puny kid hope to contend?
Prime answers by effortlessly catching one of Rulk's fists and breaking his arm. Prime talks about how they aren't true heros and on his Earth everything was better and he was the only hero. He was the "strongest there is"!
I don't know if Rulk still has that swaggering style since joining the Avengers.
Think he's mellowed out a bit. Matured, maybe?
The part with Prime is absolutely in character, though.
I'll accept he's able to break Rulk's arm, too.
Namor with a percentage of the Phoenix Force did so; understandable Prime could.
Originally posted by juggerman
Well Hulk doesn't take too kindly to this and engages Prime in a hit for hit type deal that they both love to do.
Sounds about right ...
Originally posted by juggerman
While all that went on (which really would be in the span of about 20 seconds) IM and Thor are trying to come up with a plan while WM tries to aid Hulk in taking down the wild child.
'Kay ...
Originally posted by juggerman
WM notices that Hulk seems to be slowly losing his bout with Prime and decides to unload full force on Prime giving Hulk the chance to gain the upperhand. This seems to annoy Prime more than anything and he quickly flies to WM ...
This IS one possibility, though perhaps not quite the likeliest ...
Originally posted by juggerman
and rips/cuts/punches him in half.
Can't give up Rhodey just yet.
I agree: immediately after Ares, Rulk and War Machine ARE the weakest links on the battlefield and ready to go.
However, you haven't explained what happened to Thor.
You haven't so much as distracted him from your description.
Remember, WHATEVER method you chose for Prime disposing of Ares, Thor has just seen this boy KILL a teammate.
Let's say it was giving Ares the Voidtry treatment, i.e. ripping him in half.
Then Thor, besides general knowledge of Prime, knows that this boy is
a) strong enough to rip a superhuman in half
b) psychotic and violent enough to do so
c) tough enough to endure a VERY forceful hammer throw
d) strong enough to cause environmental effect
e) strong enough to break Rulk's arm
f) strong enough to match World War Hulk in grappling
All this tells me that Thor is going to be taking this extremely seriously, preventing Prime from getting to the weaker members (Tony, Rhodey, and Rulk) even at risk to himself.
And, again, you have not so much as distracted Thor, who is innately looking to get a piece of the action even without this extra incentive.
Clarify how Ares met his end, but I say War Machine under THESE circumstances, Thor still nearby and alert to the physical threat Prime represents, is saved by Thor trying a quick lightning strike or tackling Prime to prevent him from doing to Rhodey what he's ALREADY done to Ares and Rulk.
Rhodey will probably meet his end before this is through, but it doesn't sound reasonable that with an alert, as-yet-unwaylaid Thor being right there nearby that it happens THIS way.
Goldilocks won't permit that until he himself is too far away or has some circumstantial barrier to interceding, a blow, a heat vision wound, some crisis to innocent bystanders, SOMETHING to warrant essentially giving a second teammate to Prime.