Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Uhoh, bluewater. Based on your scenario, with Prime flying from world to world....he destroys planets, in that mindset.
This is perfectly true, for at least one case we both know of.
Earth-15.
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Source: Countdown #24, Volume 1.
Writers: Paul Dini, Justin Gray, and Jimmy Palmiotti
Penciller: Tom Derenick
Date: November 2007
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Countdown_to_Final_Crisis_Vol_1_24
Notice now however, one thing.
Prime finishes fighting Earth-15's Justice League first.
In character, Prime is somewhat of a monomaniac.
If there is a formal fight to be finished, he finishes it.
He's precisely the most dangerous when he opts NOT to fight.
When he chooses to fight, however, it's more or less by the book.
He gets in his opponents face real quick, real direct and dares them to prove themselves fighting heroes.
Powerset Prime?
Powerset Prime wins.
We agree on this. In fact, if you don't agree, let me tell you flatly:
Powerset Prime wins most confrontations with this particular roster of Avengers.
The reason is his speed, which would be virtually unmatch-able for any save, perhaps, Thor.
Would be.
Powerset Prime is not Superboy Prime of the comics.
Powerset Prime is not the character Geoff Johns or even Paul Dini and company write. Superboy Prime is a different creation altogether.
Superboy Prime does not Ali-clinic his enemies as Spider-man is wont to do or as even Big Blue himself does on occassion. His superspeed is not used to make him untouchable. The thought would probably never occur to him. He might rush and tackle an opponent. Frequently. Flurrying, though? Haymakers in succession in a blur? No such thing.
Even the one person who earlier suggested Prime WOULD do that admitted he has never seen SBP do such a thing barring an opponent or opponents who had superspeed themselves and FIRST used it on him.
It's just not the character.
So Prime's not gonna blitz, and by blitz, let me clarify one more time I DON'T mean power tackle, rather I mean he's not going to become the supervillain equivalent of Muhammad Ali. No "Float like a butterfly sting like a bee, hands can't hit what your eyes can't see" displays. Prime doesn't fight like that. (Actually, at least in his greatest battles, it's debate-able if even Ali himself did, but that's a subject for a different thread.)
Take a look again now at the following scene.
If it hurts you too much to click on an attachment, open your book and go to the scene where Prime finishes Batman, the last Earth-15 JLA holdout. Notice that the world remains untouched until the Dark Knight himself falls.
One other thing to notice about that Earth-15 showing.
Prime actually takes a fairly long time, once he begins, to finish the job.
Takes his time instead to through the Earth at least once or twice, and perhaps several times.
Impressive perhaps, but, is this actually leagues higher than what the average post-Crisis Kryptonian class person can accomplish on their own?
Is it leagues greater than even members of this Legion have done?
Rulk, along with Thor, destroyed a giant comet threatening Earth.
Hulk, in his weakest form, destroyed a meteor estimated to be twice the size of Earth.
Worldbreaker Hulk, of course, destroyed a planet, and perhaps a great deal more, merely by colliding in mid-air, with his wife.
All of the above were one strike.
Prime's?
A sprinty but comparatively drawn out tunneling.
Take a look at that again as my attachment, with ref info below:
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Source: Countdown #24, Volume 1.
Writers: Paul Dini, Justin Gray, and Jimmy Palmiotti
Penciller: Tom Derenick
Date: November 2007
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Countdown_to_Final_Crisis_Vol_1_24
So here, in a surprisingly close parallel, we have a post-Crisis Kryptonian class being tunneling his way straight through the center of the Earth just like Prime. And we have Kara doing the same if for some reason you don't want to count Mon-el.
Their pace is conversational, and, obviously, they don't blow up the planet by their effort, but the parallel is hard to miss.
Seeing these 2 friends on their pleasant day trip, it's hard to be overawed at what Guardian-amped Prime showed us in that Countdown Issue. Possibly even ol' whatshisname has something comparable.
At best, if you really want to have Prime in character destroying something planetwise, have Thor BFR him to the dark dimension.
That's far more likely than Prime taking out the starting planet with what the original poster set forth.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah but BFR ing will just let him punch his way out.
Will it?
Let's look at Prime's record:
Crisis on Infinite Earths "Paradise" dimension
Better part of 20 years spent here.
Phantom Zone
The one place SBP was able to inexplicably punch out of in short time.
Note that the Phantom Zone is a relatively SMALL dimensional prison however, one created by Jor-El.
There is little, if anything, to suggest it is in anywise comparable to the places THOR is wont to send people in terms of size and dimensional magnitude.
Speed Force
Held Prime for YEARS.
Yellow solar collector suit needed to be built in order for him to free himself.
Mogo
Prime freed by Sinestro Corps
52 Multiverse (Guardian Amp in effect)
5th dimension
Impressive that he could go after Mxyzptlk, but, as pointed out before he was enhanced by Guardian of the Universe energy when he did this.
Wikipedia has the following to say about these Galactic Smurfs.
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Guardians resemble short (approximately 4 feet [120 cm] tall), large-headed, white-haired pale blue humans wearing red robes with their emblem, the Green Lantern symbol, on the chest. They possess vast knowledge, durability, awareness, flight, and psionic powers manifested through green plasma energy drawn from the most stable color of the emotional spectrum, green (willpower). Although, since it has been said that they chose the most stable color of the spectrum, it is possible that the Guardians may have limited access to all colors. In Green Lantern: Rebirth, Kyle Rayner is recorded saying that Ganthet could crack a planet in half with a thought and have been shown able to stagger Superman-Prime and the Anti-Monitor. In Green Lantern (v.3) #100 the Guardians display the power of time travel as they send a time-lost Kyle Rayner back to his present timeline.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardians_of_the_Universe#Powers_and_abilities
Check my attachment to note another instance of the Guardians being able to transport themselves and others over virtually any distance at will (in this case Lantern John Stewart from Oa to Earth in the "Fernus, The Burning", storyline).
Source Wall
last known pre-reboot imprisonment of Prime; trapped without visible means of remedy
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Prime's record of escape is actually not all that great, DS.
Nevertheless, I'm perfectly willing to give him a one in a three chance to do it as Damborgson outfitted him in this particular thread, if only for the sake of argument.
Higher odds than that you'll have to fight for -- I see nothing looking at his failures to escape BFR and imprisonment to think any Thor/Iron Man team would fare worse than 2 out of 3 with him.
Hmm. Still thinking over that Speed Force banishment and Prime and Bart's aging. Seems almost reversed from the popular scientific hypothesis known as the Twin Paradox, intro'd in the following vid ...
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Will it?Let's look at Prime's record:
[b]Crisis on Infinite Earths "Paradise" dimension
Better part of 20 years spent here.
Phantom Zone
The one place SBP was able to inexplicably punch out of in short time.
Note that the Phantom Zone is a relatively SMALL dimensional prison however, one created by Jor-El.
There is little, if anything, to suggest it is in anywise comparable to the places THOR is wont to send people in terms of size and dimensional magnitude.
Speed Force
Held Prime for YEARS.
Yellow solar collector suit needed to be built in order for him to free himself.
Mogo
Prime freed by Sinestro Corps
52 Multiverse (Guardian Amp in effect)
5th dimension
As the Green Lanterns gather on Oa in preparation for a Sinestro Corps assault, the Sinestro Corps teleport themselves and their Central Power Battery instead to a new Warworld, their objective revealed to be Earth.
Boom. Thanks for reminding me that Sinestro Corps members can teleport with their rings.
Source Wall
last known pre-reboot imprisonment of Prime; trapped without visible means of remedy
True. No sun, no sun-suit, and no ring. Good thing he has all of these here.
Prime's record of escape is actually not all that great, DS.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Wait a minute.Where exactly does Damborgson state Prime has a Power Ring in this matchup?
Check the pic that Damborgson posted. He is wearing his Sinestro Corps uniform.
I don't think it was Halloween, so am giving him the benefit of the doubt, and assuming he's part of the Sinestro Corps.
Membership of this esteemed fraternity involves, amongst other perks, a ring.
Otherwise, I'm going to arbitrarily takes Avengers from different points in time.....
Originally posted by bluewaterriderCheck my attachment to note another instance of the Guardians being able to transport themselves and others over virtually any distance at will (in this case Lantern John Stewart from Oa to Earth in the "Fernus, The Burning", storyline).
Actually, the storyline was called 'Trial by Fire'.