Superboy Prime vs The Avengers

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I brought the point up of the Yellow Ring AAAAAAAges ago.

You brought it up on page 51, DS, after this thread had been going for more than 3 weeks of steady discussion.

And admitted that, for you, like everyone else, the possibility of Prime having a power ring to go with his suit was never a part of your evaluation of this fight.

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DarkSaint85
The Laughing Magician
Btw, something we all missed.....in the picture, SBP has a Yellow Power Ring.
Sep 17th, 2012 11:37 PM
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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=569460&pagenumber=51

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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Check my attachment to note another instance of the Guardians being able to transport themselves and others over virtually any distance at will (in this case Lantern John Stewart from Oa to Earth in the "Fernus, The Burning", storyline).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Actually, the storyline was called 'Trial by Fire'.

Googling "Fernus the Burning" is likelier to get fans good information, but you're right, "Trial by Fire" IS the formal name of that storyline.

Thank you for the correction.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14036587
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Source: JLA #87, Volume 1
Writer: Joe Kelly
Penciller: Doug Mahnke
Date: November 2003
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/JLA_Vol_1_87

I love blue's way of posting, It is so confusing that it makes me not want to read it anymore, because I have to backtrack the whole thing in order to make sense out of it. And since I don't have enough time to do it, I won't do it.

No dis intended Blue, just a personal preference.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I love blue's way of posting, It is so confusing that it makes me not want to read it anymore, because I have to backtrack the whole thing in order to make sense out of it. And since I don't have enough time to do it, I won't do it.

No dis intended Blue, just a personal preference.

Wait a minute. If you're being serious, answer this question:

What exactly are you finding confusing,

and,

in exactly what way would you need information presented in order to understand it?

Short, sweet, to the point.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Wait a minute. If you're being serious, answer this question:

What exactly are you finding confusing,

and,

in exactly what way would you need information presented in order to understand it?

Seriously, I can't read your posts either. State your case, post the scans, not one per post but as many as possible in one, and everything is fine and dandy. No offense bro.

All tangents aside -- bfr, blowing up the planet, and all the other bs both sides have come up with -- the most likely scenario involves Prime simply beating the piss out of them.

Well, yeah, but I thought that BFR would at least save time.

Boy, was I wrong lol.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You brought it up on page [b]51, DS, after this thread had been going for more than 3 weeks of steady discussion.

And admitted that, for you, like everyone else, the possibility of Prime having a power ring to go with his suit was never a part of your evaluation of this fight.

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DarkSaint85
The Laughing Magician
Btw, something we all missed.....in the picture, SBP has a Yellow Power Ring.
Sep 17th, 2012 11:37 PM
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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=569460&pagenumber=51
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Yah. Aaages ago is all relative, no? So for me, it was. Good luck trying to prove relative to my reference period, it isn't, lol.

And yes, it wasn't because Prime on his own was able to take out this team. But since you insist on BFRing....

In any case, Prime wins. You still haven't convinced anyone, and you haven't brought anything new to the table. At least I brought a Sinestro Corps Power Ring...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Aaages ago is all relative, no? So for me, it was. Good luck trying to prove relative to my reference period, it isn't, lol.

Your "Hey, wait ... Prime is in the Sinestro Corps in that picture, isn't he? That means he might be wearing a Power Ring!" suggestion is only 4 days prior to the first post on the page right before this one.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
you insist on BFRing....

That's what Thor does with opponents that are too tough and dangerous to deal with by ordinary means.

And teleporting segments of their team and/or other innocents to safety is something the Avengers have been doing quite a bit of recently.

What plausible reason can you cite for an in-character Thor, PRESUMING other things fail (which is a pretty big presumption, given that non-guardian amped Prime has fallen to far less force than World War Hulk has brought to bear), NOT using Mjolnir to send Prime somewhere else, either as a means to protect innocents, allow Hulk and/or himself to more fully unleash, or be the solution to Prime all by itself?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
you haven't brought anything new to the table. At least I brought a Sinestro Corps Power Ring...

Thank you for re-confirming SBP having an SCP Ring is a new element to this thread and not something you or I or probably anyone else considered part of Damborgson's proposed scenario here.

And actually I have brought something new.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but no other recent thread on KMC has ever actually examined and SHOWN what SBP really does in character or shown what actually affected SBP throughout his adventures to date.

Regarding BFR...Chances are Prime punches his way out of whatever silly dimension Thor dumps him in.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Regarding BFR...Chances are Prime punches his way out of whatever silly dimension Thor dumps him in.

Chances are more likely that DOESN'T happen, though.

In the events where it has, it took considerable time for Prime to do it, he was usually amped, and it would score well outside the back-in-ring-before-the-bell time limit on KMC Versus Matches.

The Phantom Zone is the ONLY exception I know of to this rule.

As for other places?

It's actually relatively rare to find Kryptonian-empowering yellow star systems like ours. And, if, per KMC general rules, these heroes know Prime is empowered by yellow starlight, or depowered by red starlight, they're not going to be doing something stupid like sending him into our sun. Also, it's not as if Thor can't create these things at will.

He BFRed Hulk 2 or 3 times in the episode I showed on page 51, to give only one example, till Hulk was in a state that pleased him ...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14011979
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14011980

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14011989

(Hulk 2001 Annual)

No, red sun weakness isn't general public knowledge like kryptonite is.

And I brought the ring up because I had been spending a lot of time correcting you about your assumptions regarding Rulk. Once that mistake was rectified, then we could proceed.

And all the instances you brought up of BFR was when he didn't have his ring, which YOU reminded all of us of its teleport capabilities.

And yes, no other thread has shown the much info. Problem is, the rest of us already knew of them.

In fact, im going to say no other thread has examined and shown Rulks inability to absorb in such detail.

Because it was previously unnecessary.

Hulk is the only factor here

And he either gets BFR or gets a prolonged beating.

Come to think about it...probably both.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
red sun weakness isn't general public knowledge like kryptonite is.

And the fact that yellow sun empowers Prime?

Either one of these facts being general knowledge has important implications with how this is going to shape up.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I brought the ring up because I had been spending a lot of time correcting you about your assumptions regarding Rulk. Once that mistake was rectified, then we could proceed.

Don't know what YOU think you were doing; I proceeded long before that. When I come to an "either/or" case, I simply cover both possibilities. Now that you mention it though, looking at what actually happens when Rulk fights alongside Hulk and Thor hasn't been explored, and should be. Especially given Prime's comparatively abysmal showings against the Teen Titans, Connor, and the Legion groups.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
no other thread has shown the much info. Problem is, the rest of us already knew of them.

I don't believe that's true.
Assuming it is, which is a very large assumption, it hasn't proven a problem for the bulk of the following people.

You don't get consistent view numbers like this when that's the case.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14038537

It's also worth mentioning that you "corrected" me by telling me this concerned only WWH as he appeared in the original series.

You were wrong about that, too.

Most of team dies

Then Hulk goes angry and punches SBP one time after another, when Hulk finishes, prime goes "it tickles"......

Oh wait Hulk is not magic powered 😄

All are killed to death?

And Blue, yes I was being serious, is confusing reading your posts at least to my IQ level, which is low BTW

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Most of team dies

Then Hulk goes angry and punches SBP one time after another, when Hulk finishes, prime goes "it tickles"......

Oh wait Hulk is not magic powered 😄

All are killed to death?

And Blue, yes I was being serious, is confusing reading your posts at least to my IQ level, which is low BTW

Default setting of this fight is Thor and World War Hulk versus Prime.

The other Avengers may be around to help or they may not be.

Everyone is in character.

Prime must be able to fight in such a way, that, despite the relatively low ranking mid-tiers that knocked him out or seriously hurt him, he does not get knocked out by World War Hulk.
This from a guy who does NOT use superspeed in untouchable Ali fashion, does not even duck or dodge, gets right in people's faces, and taunts and dares them to slap him down.

At the same time he's doing this, though, having likely violently eliminated Ares, at the very least, Prime must not prove himself such a threat that Thor decides to simply remove him from the battlefield, which has actually been the primary means of defeating Prime in the comics.

I don't see Prime slipping between those 2 gates for the win.

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Is that clearer?

No matter how you skin this cat, Prime kills them all to Death, then recon there deaths just to do it again.

Prime in a weaker form took on teams that's far more powerful.