Thanos Invasion

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Conventionally, it would be a close fight.

But the fact that a non holding back Thor literally took down a Gladiator willing to kill in a handful of blows after exclaiming he can hold back no longer speaks volumes on where they stand unleashed.

Which is, as a matter of fact, consistent with each of their portrayals as a whole. Gladiator can fight Thor on even grounds and with some help even get the advantage. But Thor when he stops holding back is another level completely.

Can't see how any one can disagree, really, unless they think it's all PIS or something.

PIS could be argued Jake. Gladiator has the edge in speed reflexes, hyper fighting and all of that good stuff. Soooo....... But I still see Thor as being in control of more powerful forces than Gladiator. Not sure if Thor is stronger though, but then again when has strength been the deciding factor with guys at this level?

Again from Marvel.com:

"With Eric dying from Mongoose’s attack, Thor pleaded with Odin for aid on Eric’s behalf. Odin reluctantly agreed to save him, but did so by merging Thor and Masterson together, body and soul"

Says Odin merged Thor and Masterson together, body and soul. Not Thor was one place and Master Thor was another.

Originally posted by DTM
Again from Marvel.com:

"With Eric dying from Mongoose’s attack, Thor pleaded with Odin for aid on Eric’s behalf. Odin reluctantly agreed to save him, but did so by merging Thor and Masterson together, body and soul"

Says Odin merged Thor and Masterson together, [b]body and soul. Not Thor was one place and Master Thor was another. [/B]

Seems we're arguing two different things.

Eric Masterson, when he was the actual host to Thor and bonded spirtually, did have Thor's full power.

Masterson AS Thor did not. At that point, the real Thor was on Asgard as Masterson was left to attend to Earth.

Jake, looks like scans and proof are in order!

Im lost, as I remember Masterson being Thor being the same as him being merged with Thor.

Also, from regular Wiki:

"Masterson was mortally wounded by Mongoose, and is given Thor's form and powers after the original is sealed in Eric's mind, by Odin, to save Eric's life"

I dont mean to get on your case Jake, I respect your opinions here, I just dont remember it that way. I remember Masterson having all the powers of Thor during his time as Thor, nothing really suggesting otherwise.

I enjoy Thor as a character but I can't picture him doing this. Just can't.

Originally posted by Stoic
PIS could be argued Jake. Gladiator has the edge in speed reflexes, hyper fighting and all of that good stuff. Soooo....... But I still see Thor as being in control of more powerful forces than Gladiator. Not sure if Thor is stronger though, but then again when was strength been the deciding factor with guys at this level?

Not sure how it's PIS at all. Surely you wouldn't think Hulk beating up Gladiator is PIS, would you?

By feats, Thor is stronger. Not really anything to debate unless someone thinks breaking apart a planetoid/dead space rock trumps every and any strength feat Thor's ever done.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Jake, looks like scans and proof are in order!

Jake is correct, these are two different time periods.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because the real Thor existed at the exact time that Masterson did?

He literally was chilling in Asgard as Masterson was on Midgard/Earth.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure how it's PIS at all. Surely you wouldn't think Hulk beating up Gladiator is PIS, would you?

By feats, Thor is stronger. Not really anything to debate unless someone thinks breaking apart a planetoid/dead space rock trumps every and any strength feat Thor's ever done.

Just going on how easily Gladiator put Simon away. The Hulk is an entirely different ball of wax. His strength actually grows, and grows you knows.

Nevermind, I do see what youre saying about the merged Thor/Masterson and the seperate Masteron Thor, Jake (having read the Eric Masterson bio further), though I still dont see where its actually stated, during that time period, that Masterson had only a portion of Thors overall power. He sure wasnt displayed as such in the comics during this time.

Originally posted by carver9
I enjoy Thor as a character but I can't picture him doing this. Just can't.

I can't picture Gladiator performing hardly any of Thor's high end feats. What's your point? barker

Originally posted by abhilegend
They both had the strength of Thor at that point. Thor was just buried too deep in Eric's subconsciousness. Eric had the full power of thor, there is no doubt about it.

Pretty much. Don't know where Jake is getting this from.

Originally posted by carver9
I enjoy Thor as a character but I can't picture him doing this. Just can't.

But from what I've seen, his formidability decreases because he's constantly questioning himself and is unused to his powers.

Kinda like Hal/Kyle. Both had largely the same powersets, and abilities, but Kyle had less confidence in himself at the start.

What jake is talking about is Thor 459 where a freed from eric's subconsciousness thor and a mindcontrolled masterson thor went toe to toe. That was essentialy a stalemate too.

Originally posted by Stoic
Just going on how easily Gladiator put Simon away. The Hulk is an entirely different ball of wax. His strength actually grows, and grows you knows.

And Thing. He one shot him.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/123/95635323mg2.jpg/

Originally posted by Stoic
Just going on how easily Gladiator put Simon away. The Hulk is an entirely different ball of wax. His strength actually grows, and grows you knows.

So how is Thor beating Gladiator possibly PIS when you mentioned reflexes and hyperspeed fighting and whatnot, but Hulk beating him isn't?

Judging from your post you seem to be implying that Gladiator's speed advantage could be argued to be too much for Thor...but not Hulk?

Originally posted by iceman24567
You realize Thor has feats that shit on that right?

I'm basing it off of the Thor and Nova fight which was pretty decent.

Originally posted by carver9
And Thing. He one shot him.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/123/95635323mg2.jpg/

I guess you missed where Thor has easily one shot an amped Thing. As in actually one shot him (he was basically phucking dead). To say nothing of brutally destroying him in melee during First Thuner.