Originally posted by NemeBro
The Triforce did turn Ganondorf into a planetary reality warper and all, so there is some precedent for that kind of shit I guess.
Has anyone else (ie link) used it for the same means? That also sounds like what was banned from the thread, like apparently turning things to a jack in the box.
Originally posted by Blight
Has the freeze attack been enough to change the climate of a continent?
Not a continent, but I guess it sorta changed the climate of a forest a little bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn4MKvIxfcA#t=2m25s
Also, Punk Hazard is a pretty small continent if you can just walk across half of it in almost no time. Not even even sure how it took to get it like that, either.
What has the triforce done to amp attacks exactly? Just curious, I'd need feats to go on.
Nothing for Link, but Ganon has pulled off island destroying stuff before and that's presumably Triforce related.
Originally posted by BlightThere are no lengths being gone to, I'm just working within a thread someone else made. he gave me the triforce. I'd be a silly ***** not to use it.
Has the freeze attack been enough to change the climate of a continent?What has the triforce done to amp attacks exactly? Just curious, I'd need feats to go on.
You go to lengths to protect your boy, I'll give you that.
The ToP alone has done ridiculous things like change the climate of the planet and great sea respectively. A storm that spans a continent, and straight up ending daytime. These were done with the bulk of said power sealed, in WW. He also shattered an island in that game with his power sealed off.
In TP a portion of its' power is gifted to Zant who uses it to merge an entire country with the twilight realm. Dimensional overlay or some shit, kind of crazy. Does overlapping separate realities count as comparable?
It's also used to freeze Zora's domain solid. Ganondorf also does this in OoT because **** Zoras, apparently.
Also, from the Zelda Wiki: "Most enemies who aren't destroyed by the initial pulse of lightning and pressure are frozen, as if they were struck by the Ice Rod. Ether's atmosphere-altering capabilities can be used to clear the rain in Misery Mire."
Might not be permanent, but that does sound like it can change the weather in a region.
Originally posted by BlightOnly the wishing/reality warping was taken away. Not the triforce's power entirely. It's not just some wishing well, lol.
pis?Has anyone else (ie link) used it for the same means? That also sounds like what was banned from the thread, like apparently turning things to a jack in the box.
With less than a third of the triforce's power Zant was overlapping regions and even all of Hyrule with a separate dimension and shit.
The wishing aspect of the triforce? It's only possible with the entire thing. These are separate forms of power.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Because OP intangibility is not true intangibility, and Luffy's counter is to prevent his enemy from disassembling into sand/smoke/whatever. This doesn't work on matter that simply is not there.
No, it forces the opponent to be hit. Haki has worked on things like light. One Piece powers work on even abstract concepts.
Also the LoZ wiki just says that the Magic Cape negates all damage, not that it makes him intangible. The item description simply says that it makes him invisible. I am hearing that Link walks through enemies with it but that's just gameplay mchanics.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
All right, neat.Impressive.
I can't say for certain how powerful the freeze is, but if it's comparable to the ice arrows Luffy'll find himself sitting still temporarily.
And is it comparable to the ice arrows? If I understand you correctly ALttP Link has some manner of freezing ability that you assume will be boosted by the Triforce correct. But since you don't know how powerful it is in the first place this seems like a shaky assumption.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wait, you actually think this point in particular is arguable? 😐
Yes.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, you want me to prove to you that the triforce is more powerful than people it's stated to be more powerful than who have global feats? Wat.Hylia could form a planetwide seal, and she was a minor goddess whose own power is explicitly less than the triforce's. The only thing about the triforce banned in this thread is it's reality warping power, preventing Link from just turning Luffy into a jack in the box. Not that this even matters because planetary level is far above Luffy. It doesn't need to be close to that to render Luffy moot.
No, I want you to prove that possessing the Triforce makes a person incredibly powerful and that it enables them to perform incredibly powerful spells. The Master sword doesn't make Link uber powerful, despite how you've repeated said that its power rivals the Triforce since its a check against it. And if I recall Wind Waker correctly the King of Hyrule gets it at one point and doesn't become the physical god you are saying Link will become.
What has Link actually done while in possession of it? Because all I'm hearing is alot of pretty speculation so far.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Punching intangible dude = winning strategy. I suppose he'll pull off Link's cap-wait, he can't because Link is intangible. >C
a) Luffy can punch intangible people and b) proof that Link is even intangible?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And has the laser dodging feat from SSBB just in case.
You mean when he ran forward at a non-superhuman speed and zig-zagged? I don't think thats going to help him much.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Also, if Link does have the full triforce Luffy legitimately cannot put him down due to nigh-invulnerablilty even without the cape. That's not even a discussion. 😬
Too bad, because we are discussing it. What makes you think he will become nigh-invulnerable? I hope you're not just saying that because you think Link will gain all of Ganon's durability with the Triforce.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
There are no lengths being gone to, I'm just working within a thread someone else made. he gave me the triforce. I'd be a silly ***** not to use it.The ToP alone has done ridiculous things like change the climate of the planet and great sea respectively. A storm that spans a continent, and straight up ending daytime. These were done with the bulk of said power sealed, in WW. He also shattered an island in that game with his power sealed off.
In TP a portion of its' power is gifted to Zant who uses it to merge an entire country with the twilight realm. Dimensional overlay or some shit, kind of crazy. Does overlapping separate realities count as comparable?
It's also used to freeze Zora's domain solid. Ganondorf also does this in OoT because **** Zoras, apparently.
Also, from the Zelda Wiki: "Most enemies who aren't destroyed by the initial pulse of lightning and pressure are frozen, as if they were struck by the Ice Rod. Ether's atmosphere-altering capabilities can be used to clear the rain in Misery Mire."
Might not be permanent, but that does sound like it can change the weather in a region. Only the wishing/reality warping was taken away. Not the triforce's power entirely. It's not just some wishing well, lol.
With less than a third of the triforce's power Zant was overlapping regions and even all of Hyrule with a separate dimension and shit.
The wishing aspect of the triforce? It's only possible with [b]the entire thing.
These are separate forms of power. [/B]
Originally posted by Blight
why are you attributing feats other people performed to link?
Also, statement for Ether:
Originally posted by The Scenario
Cape's pretty cool.
As I said, thats all gameplay stuff. The item description mentions nothing about intangibility.
Edit: Gotta bounce. Will continue on the morrow.
Originally posted by BlightWhat is PIS?
pis?Has anyone else (ie link) used it for the same means? That also sounds like what was banned from the thread, like apparently turning things to a jack in the box.
I dunno, to be honest Aura is being kind of weird in his banning of the Triforce. It's like, "Oh, you can't make a wish, but you can use it for other things". Every time the Triforce was used, a wish was made, Ganon used it to make himself undisputed dimension lord of the Dark Realm, for example.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Good lord.All right, my opinion is as follows then.
AlttP Link spends the fight intangible with magic cape.
link-rape
What now, Luffy?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Luffy can punch intangible people.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Well ****.
Classic setup and punchline. I laughed, out loud.
Edit: Good lords, six pages?! I almost forgot just how fast the crap builds up when the Link fans are at the helm. haermm
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, SS Link left it on the goddess statue.For some reason, lol. Probably so there could actually BE a final fight, I guess. PIS there.
And here's the thing, Luffy lacks a holy weapon. mmm And even then, a blessed butterknife wouldn't cut it. (Heehee)
Even the MS wouldn't hurt Ganondorf when it was depowered in WW.
It has to be something very powerful. It's not even that Ganondorf is necessarily weak to holy weapons, either, that is never said.
What IS said is that the sword is super effective against evil, which Ganon is.
So, Ganon is just really ****ing durable and the sword is a good can opener. But yeah. Link also has good durability.
Combine the two. Add a third.
And yeah, it's hard to really gauge just how physically powerful he'd become, but all signs point to "very". Like we know in WW Link can take a physical beating from Ganondorf with the ToC. In OoT there's the slash Link tries to block as well. In TP there's resisting being crushed by Dangoro and stopping Ganon's charge, and being hit by that axe. MM and SS have stronk unamped feats as well, and so foes WW Link actually.
That said, their magical power is pretty high up there, too. Imagine full triforce Ether? 131 The triforce would grant Link power well outstripping theirs. All we do is extrapolate spells he already has.
Puh? But he was carrying it when he got each piece, even had the glowy hand. (May be my imagination..)
<__< I can vouch for holy fists? Though even if we take Dorf's in-game dura, as in without the holy>evil protection, the only durability we've that we can take is from what we've seen, which is Link's+. Im saying right now that there /should/ be a way to measure a characters dwarfing powers that are clearly above the ones we've seen *coughdantesspeed*, because Dorf's/triforce dura should be in the Town/+ area rather than what it is. Until that happens the best durability feat in Zelda is equal to the force of Luffy at the the beginning of the manga.
Actually how do the pieces amp? I assumed that it boosted the character them self (Link n Dorf's bod, Dorf n Zelda's magiks), would the set power of items count? I believe that there would need to be something that proves or suggests that the pieces can power him in this manner.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm not,
The ToP alone has done ridiculous things like change the climate of the planet and great sea respectively. A storm that spans a continent, and straight up ending daytime. These were done with the bulk of said power sealed, in WW. He also shattered an island in that game with his power sealed off.
This wasn't a power given to Link, it was something the Triforce did. What makes you think Link would be doing that in the game? Nothing lead me to believe I could wield that power.
In TP a portion of its' power is gifted to Zant who uses it to merge an entire country with the twilight realm. Dimensional overlay or some shit, kind of crazy. Does overlapping separate realities count as comparable?
You're seriously not using other people's feats and attributing them to Link?
It's also used to freeze Zora's domain solid. Ganondorf also does this in OoT because **** Zoras, apparently.
This is getting confusing, I thought you weren't attributing other's feats to Link...
Also, from the Zelda Wiki: "Most enemies who aren't destroyed by the initial pulse of lightning and pressure are frozen, as if they were struck by the Ice Rod. Ether's atmosphere-altering capabilities can be used to clear the rain in Misery Mire."Might not be permanent, but that does sound like it can change the weather in a region.
Sooooo has it changed the climate of a continent? Has it frozen a huge chunk of the ocean in an instant?
Only the wishing/reality warping was taken away. Not the triforce's power entirely. It's not just some wishing well, lol.
It kind of sounds like one. According to some, every time the triforce was whole, a wish was made....
I'm telling you what less power than Link would have in this thread can do. 🙂 Link gains the triforce--->Becomes more powerful. This is not rocket science. I'm still only working with Link's own powerset.
Originally posted by Blight
why are you attributing feats other people performed to link?
In the OP, Link is allowed to have the full Triforce, but can't make wishes. So essentially, the thread is giving him all three pieces of the Triforce despite the fact Link hasn't wielded them individually like that before. We've seen what Link with Triforce of Courage can do, but our only examples from the other two piece come from Ganon and Zelda.
We're considering Ganon's feats with the Triforce of Power, and since Link now has that piece I'm not sure how else we'd determine what he can do with it. It's entirely theoretical at this point; we have no idea how the Triforce of Power or Wisdom would amp Link, but "like Ganon or Zelda" seems a good bet.
As I said, thats all gameplay stuff. The item description mentions nothing about intangibility.
Being invisible doesn't let you walk through spikes, though. The cape is the only way to get past that obstacle, and I don't think that would be possible if invisibility was all it did.
Originally posted by The Scenario
In the OP, Link is allowed to have the full Triforce, but can't make wishes. So essentially, the thread is giving him all three pieces of the Triforce despite the fact Link hasn't wielded them individually like that before. We've seen what Link with Triforce of Courage can do, but our only examples from the other two piece come from Ganon and Zelda.We're considering Ganon's feats with the Triforce of Power, and since Link now has that piece I'm not sure how else we'd determine what he can do with it. It's entirely theoretical at this point; we have no idea how the Triforce of Power or Wisdom would amp Link, but "like Ganon or Zelda" seems a good bet.
And how much did it amp them? Correct me if I'm wrong but as I recall Ganon is incredibly powerful even without the Triforce of Power. I know that in OoT he was a sorcerer before getting it at least. How much of that is the Triforce and how much is him?
Originally posted by The Scenario
Being invisible doesn't let you walk through spikes, though. The cape is the only way to get past that obstacle, and I don't think that would be possible if invisibility was all it did.
As Bloodrain said, being immune to damage would. Plus you're wrong because in the video you posted the guy manages to get back across the spikes without using the cape.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And how much did it amp them? Correct me if I'm wrong but as I recall Ganon is incredibly powerful even without the Triforce of Power. I know that in OoT he was a sorcerer before getting it at least. How much of that is the Triforce and how much is him?
Dunno, hence the speculation. Without it, we've seen him use blasts of magic to knock Link down, and put death curses on the Deku tree and Jabu-Jabu in Ocarina of Time. He died when a sword was put through his chest in Twilight Princess, but was revived when the Triforce of Power activated and thereafter walked around with a hole in his chest. He also managed to break the chains holding him, implying he wasn't that strong before. Wind Waker has him able to talk with a sword through his head without the Triforce of Power, but he turned to stone shortly thereafter so I'm not sure what to make of it
So based on his before and after shots, I'd say the Triforce of Power increased magic he already had, possibly granted him new magic abilities, and gave him a physical boost. His durability and damage soak appear to be almost entirely Triforce based.
As Bloodrain said, being immune to damage would. Plus you're wrong because in the video you posted the guy manages to get back across the spikes without using the cape.
Impossible to get across without damage, then; my mistake. Though there's also the video where he walks through the bumper to consider, so it's not just immunity to damage. The Cane of Byrna is the one that does damage immunity without the going through stuff.
So essentially what you're saying is the Legend of Zelda is a convoluted mess and we have no real frame of reference for what the Triforce can actually do when combined? Especially not for Link since it has never really seemed to do much of anything when he has had it combined? Got it. It honestly sounds like a wishing well to me...