Originally posted by quanchi112
Link can survive yes. He is the hero but he still is affected by far less than Goron strength. This is common place in fiction. Somehow you want to pretend Link is more uber than he is. Nope.
You just flat out admitted that Link can survive hits from Goron-level strength 🙂 I dont need to 'pretend', because if Link can take those hits and not only defeat the Goron but survive to take on several more.. yeah it becomes a little more than just a common trope.
And given the vast gap in strength between Russell's car feat and Gorons rock punching feats, the mere fact that Link can still walk afterwards proves little faith to Russle doing much damage.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Gorons never fatally kill anyone. So it is another nonsensical thing which doesn't add up like most pieces of fiction.
They havnt killed anyone cause no normal person would enter the Goron's base unless they were strong and skilled enough, reason why only two people have gone in to their mountain.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Russell wasn't using his speed the entire time. Russell was also against a room full of vampires and a room full of trained marksmen. They also used weakness exploitation. Context.We see he is distracted. It's like saying he needs to react to an entire room of foes at the same time. Not how it works. Sorry. This thread is just him versus Link. Russell's speed shits all over Link's along with his strength.
..I wasn't talking about that scene, didn't even know about it O.o
I was talking about how Bill, Eric and likely several other vamps were easily caught by a net.
Or how several vamps get shot. The group I mentioned, Bill(173), Luis(460), Franklin(94) and several others seeing as they still use guns to combat vamps. Every vamp in the 500 and less club fail to match bullet speed. Eric(1143) has at most supersonic reactions (at most seeing as he couldn't react to bullets at other times), but he's not close to that speed. Evidence for his lower movement speed is that he was unable to avoid a net and that it /appears/ hes reacting to the bullet but his body wasn't moving nearly as fast as it, was somewhere above the running wolf. So not supersonic in body.
The best speed feat I've seen from Russell is blitzing a 500 y/o, non supersonic vamp, and being faster than Eric which doesnt give him supersonic speed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Gorons feat doesn't add up or translate over to a foe. It's the same thing like when a comic book character destroys a planet yet doesn't break a bone in Thor's body when they hit him. In fiction things don't need to add up and most of the time they don't because they don't have to obey the laws of physics.
Why? Why doesnt it add up? Give proper in-game reasons why it does not add up.
As far as Ive seen, scans and debates about him, Thor is well above planetary durability.. why would a planet level punch break his bones? O_o
Gorons strike at Link, Link survives in a combat condition. Evidence to suggest otherwise?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think Link can control his level of strength but his strength isn't that great to begin with when he tried commandeering the horse. I can easily control an animal with my strength without killing it. LOL at your excuses.
So you can choke an animal and it will automatically calm down? Jesus hands? Could Link have stopped Epona in her tracks? Yes. Would it calm down a spooked horse? No. Even a quick google search says youre meant to calm horses down, not manhandle them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Link defeats them through skill not sheer power. That's the difference he's not as strong or in another class he's as strong as he has to be whereas russell is in another class by himself. Portrayals.
Prove Link can take Goron hits to the face and survive due to skill, not power.
Prove Link can knock back, pick up and throw (requiring upper body strength) Gorons only using skill, not power.
Sooo when Link defeats his enemies its portraying him as being 'as strong as he has to', but when Russell defeats his enemies its portraying him as an unstoppable beast? Do you even have the evidence that supports that portrayal you say Link has? Being this hooked on the point you must have some decent proof.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf only accessed it directly when he needed to. It failed him. LOL.1. That isn't proving it. How much does a Goron weigh ? You don't know and speculate. Link doesn't do the feats you subscribe him to do against Russell. Fanboyism.
Speculation. 🙂
Thats not how it works. In every game when the triforce is awakened its permanently empowering the person. In OoT Dorf was a danger, and when he got his piece he became a massive threat and his power skyrocketed even when he wasnt 'accessing' it. Just like in this game where he was a possible threat until he got his piece and throught the game he was the big boss even without 'accessing' it. Same goes for Link in every single game. So no, the power of the triforce is always powering the wielder. Game lore.
You skipped that part where youre meant to tell me exactly when Russell did something like tearing apart thick armour.
Goron;
Fact 1- They're taller than Link.
Fact 2- They're dense as rock. Proof is they're made of rock, they eat rocks, they spark when you strike them with a blade and that they sink in water at the same speed as rocks I.e they share a density.
Fact 3- Something of that size compared to Link that is as dense as rock would weigh a few tons. An irl rock at that size weighed 10 tons.
Blocks:
Fact 1- They are cubes are twice as tall as Link (thats like 11ft tall).
Fact 2- They are made of some kind of metal.
Fact 3- A cube twice Link's height made of metal would weigh about 300 tons.
Ice Boss:
Fact 1- Its massive. A few times wider and taller than Link.
Fact 2- Its made of ice.
Fact 3- A massive lump of ice would weigh hundreds of tone
^No speculations on size or density that the game doesn't hand us, so I havnt speculated anything the game hasnt given. Besides assuming that Link, who is as tall as most adults, is at an average human height.
And you know what? You can ignore the numbers there, it wouldnt matter, because even without figures its plain to the eye that these feats are above Russell;
1. Link picks up something as big as a Goron, even if its not made of stone > tipping a 1 ton car
2. Link taking hits from Gorons who can punch through rock and smack huge pillars around > tipping a 1 ton car
3. Link pushing around blocked twice as tall as he is, regardless of what they've made of > tipping a 1 ton car
4. Link knocking around a massive ice block > tipping a 1 ton car
Its obvious even without doing calcs, just by looking at what hes done is more impressive than what Russell did to that small car.
And debating for LoZ does not make one a fanboy sir.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Which scene are you referring to ? I what canon scene does Link swat arrows out of the air ? [/B]
"Russell has moved well over 50 feet up to a human and disarmed him before he even could see what was happening." ~You. Thats 15m / human reactions of 0.2s = 75m/s.
Unless you meant the arrows, in which case Im a little surprised that you would ask for cutscenes when all this time youve been using Link getting hurt in gameplay as canon 😬 Any how, Link cutting down arrows is an in-built animation. For a more canon animation theres both Ganon (when pushed to the edge) and Ganondorf (casually) dodging arrows fired by Link. Not only do these in-built specific animations hold canon truth, they also as you say show the portrayal of the character that the developers wanted to be there.