Destroyer does have unlimited strength, his strength doesn't deminish, Destroyer is one of Asgard great weapons, hulk strength is not greater than enchantment that Odin and other sky fathers have given it, hulk can't put the destroyer down if he wanted too, as where Destroyer can and will, bulk has ko by beings less powerful than Destroyer. AD 10/10
Originally posted by Naija boy
Destroyer doesnt have unlimited strength (like to see you prove that) and is considerably less strong than Hulk and nothing has been provided to support his maxing out WBH healing factor.
The Destroyer was recently shown to be capable of forcefully draining all the collective pantheons of their power, granting the user omnipotence and reality manipulation over creation or whatever (Usual god like stuff).
So in practice, it has the ability to draw on far more power than Hulk could ever hope to attain. Just saying. It has the capacity for unlimited power in a truer sense than even the Hulk but how powerful it is depends on the soul and the pool of energy it draws from.
I didn't read your whole post but I'm guessing you think Hulk wins? If so, how? If the Destroyer can't put Hulk down (Depends entirely on how far Loki is allowed to go), I'm not sure how you think the Hulk would be able to put the Destroyer down either. Loki is well aware of the Destroyer's capabilities.
IIRC he was the one who placed a soul in the vicinity of the melted pool that the Celestials left the remains in. The Destroyer immediately remade itself undamaged, even the Celestial Host can't truly end it as was pointed out. Most people forget that the Destroyer can manipulate and recreate matter, teleport, energy drain etc.
Originally posted by Damborgson
That Destroyer can draw on that much power.
It was crazy out of left field but it was printed. Diablo would have been the a new God if Thor/Stark hadn't separated him from the Destroyed while he was still a noob and not use to being all-powerful.
And it wasn't just earth based pantheons shown being drain IIRC, so no telling how far the effect spread.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Destroyer was recently shown to be capable of forcefully draining all the collective pantheons of their power, granting the user omnipotence and reality manipulation over creation or whatever (Usual god like stuff).So in practice, it has the ability to draw on far more power than Hulk could ever hope to attain. Just saying. It has the capacity for unlimited power in a truer sense than even the Hulk but how powerful it is depends on the soul and the pool of energy it draws from.
I didn't read your whole post but I'm guessing you think Hulk wins? If so, how? If the Destroyer can't put Hulk down (Depends entirely on how far Loki is allowed to go), I'm not sure how you think the Hulk would be able to put the Destroyer down either. Loki is well aware of the Destroyer's capabilities.
IIRC he was the one who placed a soul in the vicinity of the melted pool that the Celestials left the remains in. The Destroyer immediately remade itself undamaged, even the Celestial Host can't truly end it as was pointed out. Most people forget that the Destroyer can manipulate and recreate matter, teleport, energy drain etc.
What issue was that? and whats the context behind it? I vaguely remember something like that but i have been in and out of comics alot recently.
Furthermore, it wouldnt be allowed to draw on such an outside powersource within a forum battle (presuming the Pantheons need to be present in order for it to happen) or it at least wouldnt be in character looking at the totality of its appearances across various hosts, so while it may have the capacity for such under the right circumstances, it wouldnt be overly relevant here
I gave it to Hulk if the fight comes down a physical confrontation which i view as likely since when it comes down to it, id favor WBH damaging the destroyer given his feats, prior to his HF getting maxed out by its attacks.
If the destroyer has esoteric means that can bypass WBH physicality, id give him the win but id need to see on panel evidence of such methods in practice, to determine if they would be effective on WBH
Originally posted by JakeTheBankif there are no pantheons in the forum match he can't really use it anyway
Y'know, I totally glossed over the DA's ability to amp from entire pantheons. I personally wouldn't cite that ability as something to use in a forum match typically (partly because it was so out of left field) but it is canon.Wonder if it will ever display that kind of power again.
It's from the Thor/Iron Man mini-series.
The Pantheon thing shouldn't be disqualified by virtue of them not actively being in the forum match, though. They weren't physically present in the story, but the DA's reach extended to their various dimensions anyway. Black Alice isn't barred from the ability of jacking the powers from characters not present in a forum match as that's within her powers as well.
Still, I personally think it was a WTF level feat and I somehow doubt it will do that again and I wouldn't use it as a typical "feat". Unless I'm in a tournament or something lol
Originally posted by Naija boy
What issue was that? and whats the context behind it? I vaguely remember something like that but i have been in out and of comics alot recently.Furthermore, it wouldnt be allowed to draw on such an outside powersource within a forum battle so while it may have the capacity for such under the right circumstances, it wouldnt be overly relevant here
I gave it to Hulk if the fight comes down a physical confrontation which i view as likely since when it comes down to it, id favor WBH damaging the destroyer given his feats, prior to his HF getting maxed out by its attacks.
If the destroyer has esoteric means that can bypass WBH physicality, id give him the win but id need to see on panel evidence of such methods in practice, to determine if they would be effective on WBH
It was the Iron Man/Thor mini, particular #3 and 4.
Fair enough I guess, wouldn't be very sporting to the Hulk if Loki became omnipotent. Of course I'd like to point out that Loki amping from an extra-dimensional source of energy wouldn't be much different from what Hulk does technically speaking. That being said, I wasn't considering it to be a viable tactic unless we go tourney mode.
Still curious as to how you think the Hulk would win the physical confrontation even if you believe he's stronger. I.e. put him down. It's Loki animating the Destroyer and not some random dude from the street.
And the Destroyer's stamina is even more unlimited than the Hulk's. Loki can undo any damage easily while Hulk's healing factor being overtaxed while not a common occurrence, is possible. Particularly since we're dealing with a mystically powered entity, and even Green Scar's vulnerable to magic of sufficient potency.
Some abilities such as removing Hulk's soul from his body, teleporting him etc. would give him the win I'd wager. Gotta run so I can't get any more in-depth than that.
Originally posted by JakeTheBanki'm not saying destroyer can't win, but that maneuver seems unlikely cause of the makeup of the forum match.
It's from the Thor/Iron Man mini-series.The Pantheon thing shouldn't be disqualified by virtue of them not actively being in the forum match, though. They weren't physically present in the story, but the DA's reach extended to their various dimensions anyway. Black Alice isn't barred from the ability of jacking the powers from characters not present in a forum match as that's within her powers as well.
Still, I personally think it was a WTF level feat and I somehow doubt it will do that again and I wouldn't use it as a typical "feat". Unless I'm in a tournament or something lol
well, nobody cares about black alice debates to argue against it i guess, cause that's crazy to just assume that gods and cosmics and everything else exists outside of the forum match without an actual setting in the OP.
every doom forum fight, doom just summons mephisto and wins
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i'm not saying destroyer can't win, but that maneuver seems unlikely cause of the makeup of the forum match.well, nobody cares about black alice debates to argue against it i guess, cause that's crazy to just assume that gods and cosmics and everything else exists outside of the forum match without an actual setting in the OP.
every doom forum fight, doom just summons mephisto and wins
True enough, but it does depend on the character in general.
Black Alice's actual power is just nabbing magic characters' powers and grew to the point where they don't even have to be present. She could be walking down the street, be accosted by a thug, and then summon the Power of Shazam to defend herself and Captain Marvel or Black Adam won't even be shown in the story at all.
Doom, as a rule, isn't a summoner, at least not of Mephisto. He has, however, summoned Mindless Ones in the midst of a fight, though. I don't think that's unreasonable to argue Doom summoning them or Doombots or Drones.