Superman vs Avengers

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hulk's durability and general physicality gives him considerable resitance to the likes of being moved by kinetic force and the like, just like any superstrong/supertough guy. Shits on physics, but what doesn't in comics? Superman could certainly budge him, sure, but it's not a sure thing he could easily send him in outer space or toss him if Hulk didn't feel like going.

That's common sense.

I always figure it has more to do with the character not trying to BFR than the opposing character resisting. Unless you can find multiple examples of Hulk actually resisting the way you're arguing a Superman-level character actively trying to BFR him.

By the way, Superman also used super-speed vibrations to send a planet back to it's own dimension. Not arguing he'd do that on a regular basis in a fight, but just sayin'.

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm just saying, at best, Thor can perform a bfr about "as easy" as it takes to knock someone away. He still has to make a gesture, at least, like tapping his hammer to the floor or spinning it.

You're now comparing them in the general sense, which isn't my stance.

I think comparing the idea of Superman BFRing Hulk to casually "knocking someone away" isn't the same as Thor's BFR which is more or less thinking "I want this guy to go ______" and it happens. Superman actually has to put in effort to physically accomplish the BFR in question whereas Thor has to point and click.

And for the record, I do think Superman can BFR Hulk. I just don't think it will be as easy as throwing him away or punching him into orbit considering Hulk's own strength and durability/resistance to physical force.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I always figure it has more to do with the character not trying to BFR than the opposing character resisting. Unless you can find multiple examples of Hulk actually resisting the way you're arguing a Superman-level character actively trying to BFR him.

By the way, Superman also used super-speed vibrations to send a planet back to it's own dimension. Not arguing he'd do that on a regular basis in a fight, but just sayin'.

Okay?

Even so, Thor can BFR people easier and more efficiently than Superman can, especially a physical peer in the form of Hulk.

That's about as likely and relevant to bring to a fight as Thor opening a rift to the sun and bombarding someone with solar energy, though. He's done it panel, sure, but it holds no real significance in a fight. Of course, the flood gates were already burst open for Kal when people argued Mjolnir doing stupid shit it doesn't normally do.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Wtf is that suppose to mean

Originally posted by Delta1938
http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/youre_your.htm

lol are you serious, professor phucking delta over here. Who died and made u grammar king? Im sorry noone did so please stfu.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Can't be sure these days, especially in these type of threads.

In any case, considering Superman's means of BFR, physically overpowering Hulk or physically dealing enough damage to forcibly move him a considerable distance can be resisted to a degree by Hulk's own physical might - and only a troll or someone misinformed would argue against Hulk standing a chance of doing so - whereas Mjolnir's spatial warping/teleportation can't be conventionally resisted by any power Superman has, I'm not sure how anyone can argue against Thor being able to BFR Superman easier than Superman BFRing Hulk.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol are you serious, professor phucking delta over here. Who died and made u grammar king? Im sorry noone did so please stfu.

You're just digging yourself deeper...

lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman can return to the battlefield after BFR very quickly. Yes, he's crossed dimensions by altering his quantum signature too.

Okay. I'm aware of this.

Still doesn't change the fact that Thor's method of BFRing Superman is more efficient than Superman's method of BFRing Hulk as well as the fact that Superman has no real resistance to this.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're just digging yourself deeper...

He started it!

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He started it!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not really?

Thor can BFR Superman easier than Superman can forcibly throw/punch Hulk against his own will out of orbit. Hulk can attempt to resist the kinetic force/struggle against Superman's physicality with his own. Superman, however, can't resist a BFR from Mjolnir.

👆

People seems to be under the impression that Thor needs to spin Mjolnir in order to BFR people.Here, Thor seems to have done it instantaneously w/o spinning Mjolnir.

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Avengersannual014.jpg
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http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Avengersannual016.jpg
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Its not really out of character for Thor to BFR People.If Superman is endangering the team, Thor could just teleport him the way he did the Destroyer.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir179-Teleportationv22.jpg

Superman might end up in Ginnunggagap(the Asgardian Void) 😄 if Thor wanted to.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Okay. I'm aware of this.

Still doesn't change the fact that Thor's method of BFRing Superman is more efficient than Superman's method of BFRing Hulk as well as the fact that Superman has no real resistance to this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Efficient, yes. Effective, no. Yes, he has a real resistance, its called superspeed.

How does Superman's superspeed resist Mjolnir's warping? And how is it not more effective than physically displacing someone when Mjolnir can transcend dimensions?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How does Superman's superspeed resist Mjolnir's warping? And how is it not more effective than physically displacing someone when Mjolnir can transcend dimensions?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Moving away from the warp? Its easy to uppercut people to moon, even etrigan has done that. Heck, rhino has punted nova into orbit by a punch. Superman can BFR to other dimensions too if you think that he can only physically BFR hulk.

That's not resisting the warp; that's moving out of the way before it happens. By that logic, I can resist being riddled with bullets if I just stay out of line of fire.

When and how has Superman BFRed people to other dimensions? And does he do this more than physical BFRs?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How does Superman's superspeed resist Mjolnir's warping?

By letting him keep Thor from tracking his location, and thus "aim" his warp, and letting Supes move past the point of the warp.

Blinking someone out of existence without even needing to see their position is more Skyfather type stuff.

Originally posted by cdtm
By letting him keep Thor from tracking his location, and thus "aim" his warp, and letting Supes move past the point of the warp.

Blinking someone out of existence without even needing to see their position is more Skyfather type stuff.

Again, that's not resisting the warp itself.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's not resisting the warp; that's moving out of the way before it happens. By that logic, I can resist being riddled with bullets if I just stay out of line of fire.

When and how has Superman BFRed people to other dimensions? And does he do this more than physical BFRs?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Again, that's not resisting the warp itself.

True, but it's a factor.

Even in the very early Byrne days, he was constantly on the move. The Levitz Legion couldn't even tell it was Superman instead of Superboy, because his constant high speed movement kept them from seeing more than a red and blue blur. (Also for the record, it's established he's near constantly using his speed to keep photographers from getting a good picture of him, and someone realizing Superman and Clark Kent are the same.)