The Avengers Vs the Fantastic four Vs Xmen

Started by marwash225 pages

Pretty sure Thor's lightning can hit intangible foes, too bad this is the movie version. he

actually Thor (or any of the flyers) could just wait her out.

Mutants take this.

Originally posted by Robtard
By passing harmlessly right through her?
It's mere presence was causing interference to top Shield equipment.

It deflected the destroyer beam effortlessly it being a laser beam.

Of course this is where you tell me that her running through a few walls means nothing can harm her right?

No limits fallacy.

Originally posted by The Silent Hero
Mutants take this.

👆

Originally posted by Newjak
It's mere presence was causing interference to top Shield equipment.

It deflected the destroyer beam effortlessly it being a laser beam.

Of course this is where you tell me that her running through a few walls means nothing can harm her right?

No limits fallacy.

thems be the rules, champ. I gave up arguing that a long time ago. movie feats only... if nothing was shown to hurt her while intangible, you have no argument.

Where does it say we can apply a no limits fallacy to characters?

where in any of the movies was it shown that she could be effected in any way while intangible?

Originally posted by marwash22
where in any of the movies was it shown that she could be effected in any way while intangible?
Her feats consist of running through concrete, going into the ground, and trying to beat the Juggernaut and failing horribly, until he lost his powers 😛.

Seriously so we are just to assume that because she can go through stone that any attack from a character will auto fail against her...

That's lame, especially considering we've got a shield that's supposed to absorb anything, and a magical hammer that defies logic.

Silver Surfer didn't go intangible when he went through Sue's Shields. He was just able to bypass them for some reason. I know this because later we see Doom throw a silver spear at reed which Sue tries to intercept. It goes through the shield easily. We then see that is has both pierced her and is still poking through the shield.

I saw that earlier and figured I would something on it 😛

Originally posted by Newjak
Her feats consist of running through concrete, going into the ground, and trying to beat the Juggernaut and failing horribly, until he lost his powers 😛.

Seriously so we are just to assume that because she can go through stone that any attack from a character will auto fail against her...

That's lame, especially considering we've got a shield that's supposed to absorb anything, and a magical hammer that defies logic.

you're preaching to the choir, bruh.

Originally posted by mastagambit
If the shield can't stop Kitty then I don't see who can stop her from soloing everyone.
And how is she supposed to actually beat anyone?

hand through the face.

Originally posted by marwash22
hand through the face.

How exactly does that work, she was never shown to be able to do that.

And what happens if she becomes solid inside of something.

How can two objects occupy the same space?

Would the tougher stronger object win out leaving her with a stump as that body part fails to become tangible?

Didn't Kitty just run around waiting for Juggs to lose his powers?

If so the only thing she can solo is a porno.

You guys need to rewatch X3 final scene when she is side by side all the other members. She does some attack by running pass people and then slamming them to the ground.
Also she phased juggy's lower body into the ground.
Now imagine if she does an attack like that to someone.
Phasing their ENTIRE body into a wall,or the ground.
So first thing is they can't breath,second is if they don't have super strength or any means of escaping they are stuck their for eternity.lol
So Kitty does solo.

Originally posted by mastagambit
You guys need to rewatch X3 final scene when she is side by side all the other members. She does some attack by running pass people and then slamming them to the ground.
Also she phased juggy's lower body into the ground.
Now imagine if she does an attack like that to someone.
Phasing their ENTIRE body into a wall,or the ground.
So first thing is they can't breath,second is if they don't have super strength or any means of escaping they are stuck their for eternity.lol
So Kitty does solo.
You mean someone ran through her than she grabbed them from behind using their momentum to knock them down.

Yeah cause phasing Cain worked well right??? No it didn't.

Truth is feat wise both Thor and Hulk are stronger than movie Juggernaut so she can't beat them by phasing them into the ground even though Thor can fly so there is no reason to believe kitty could reach him to begin with.

So kitty does not solo

Originally posted by Newjak
You mean someone ran through her than she grabbed them from behind using their momentum to knock them down.

Yeah cause phasing Cain worked well right??? No it didn't.

Truth is feat wise both Thor and Hulk are stronger than movie Juggernaut so she can't beat them by phasing them into the ground even though Thor can fly so there is no reason to believe kitty could reach him to begin with.

So kitty does not solo

Wait a sec now,I did not say it worked against Juggy.
He has super strength.
But what I am saying is what if she phased a person all the way?
What then?
And there are other phasing attacks she can do but the movie does not represent that.
I agree with Thor being able to fly.
But he still cant hurt her,so it's a stalemate then.

Originally posted by mastagambit
Wait a sec now,I did not say it worked against Juggy.
He has super strength.
But what I am saying is what if she phased a person all the way?
What then?
And there are other phasing attacks she can do but the movie does not represent that.
I agree with Thor being able to fly.
But he still cant hurt her,so it's a stalemate then.

She can't keep it up forever, and as soon as she phazes back she'll be ktfo.

Originally posted by mastagambit
Wait a sec now,I did not say it worked against Juggy.
He has super strength.
But what I am saying is what if she phased a person all the way?
What then?
And there are other phasing attacks she can do but the movie does not represent that.
I agree with Thor being able to fly.
But he still cant hurt her,so it's a stalemate then.
If she phased them all the way into the ground they would break out as they are considerably stronger than the movie version of Juggernaut.

What other phasing options?

Trying to phase stuff into them, trying to phase her hand into their body?

There is no guarantee those types of attacks will work on these people. I'd place odds on them not working because these guys are way tougher then anything she could use to harm them.

I still refuse to believe this no limits fallacy that says since nothing hurt while phased nothing can hurt her while phased.

Her feats consist of running through a few people, and some stone, it's not like she ran through a metal that absorbs all vibrations or a magically enchanted hammer that deflects laser beams.

You can clearly see after she tried to phase Juggernaut into the ground and it failed she had no other plan to stop him.

EDIT: I would also like to point out that when Kitty Phased Cain into the ground his body didn't concrete in it, he just displaced whatever was in his bodies place. Therefore the stronger more durable item seems to win out when two items are being phased in the same space.