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This is how the market is going.

And it's not like MS will never change the idea behind a "fee" for lending to a friend.

Basically, from what I seen the three buzz kills are the "fee", always online (but not all the time) and backwards compatible. Everything else people are complaining is just people being angry about those three things. Both of them can be programmed out and BC from 360 games is probably not a big deal. (again, PS4 does it as well).

Or people are just angry because the world is changing. It's funny, people bitched about Steam for this exact reason but there is a bajillion awesome games on it and sales and suddenly, people forget.

Originally posted by jaden101
So microsoft's plan is to ruin game/beer nights, rip people off for every penny and destroy the 2nd hand games industry which many people rely on as the only way to afford to play games and which also keep most high street game retailers alive.

All this cos they desperately need the money cos once Google comes up with a widespread vastly cheaper alternative to Microsoft office then Microsoft will have absolutely no revenue stream.

The loyal xbox base are effectively being punished for the failures of windows 8 and microsoft's disasterous attempt to entire the mobile phone market.

I can see this being yet another self hammered nail in their coffin.

I'm the first who loves a good Microsoft is doomed opinion.

But Microsoft has like 14 different products that generate revenue over 1 billion dollars. The Xbox is obviously very important to Microsoft, but I think it's more because it's really their only "success" in what Apple people call post-pc world (consumer).

People tend to forget that majority of business have Windows as their operating system and running Windows server for business.

I'm not including the cash cow that is Office. Also, I don't think XBOX One is going to be the end of the system. It might not do as well as the previous system but it will still sell. Also, we are forgetting that Sony didn't have a lot of goodwill with the PS3 (the price) and after the price went down, it sold really well.

Originally posted by Ushgarak

we have new generations of people growing up on smartphone purchases tied to accounts.

That would be a relevant point if smartphone games cost as much as a console game...which is not the case at all.

Also the fact that PC gaming works that way is one of the main reasons I haven't given over to it entirely; if a game is available on console and PC I'll always try it on console first so that if I don't like it I'm not stuck having wasted my money.

Originally posted by Smasandian

It's funny, people bitched about Steam for this exact reason but there is a bajillion awesome games on it and sales and suddenly, people forget.

Except that you have to download a stupid update before you play the game.

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Originally posted by Kazenji
Except that you have to download a stupid update before you play the game.

Download a stupid update on Steam? Or XBOX?

Steam

regardless if you uninstall it and then decide to go back to the game again.

You mean the Direct X and all the MS C++ stuff?

Or game updates? Or Steam updates?

I know I'd be a lot happier with Steam if the ****ing program didn't insist on being updated constantly. Especially as it has a habit of popping to the front of everything else I'm doing whenever it wants to update and has caused other programs to crash due to it's "PAY ATTENTION TO ME" habits.

I agree.. Near constant updating just to play your games is pretty annoying.

And now they changed the UI, I see.

Originally posted by Smasandian
This is how the market is going.

And it's not like MS will never change the idea behind a "fee" for lending to a friend.

Basically, from what I seen the three buzz kills are the "fee", always online (but not all the time) and backwards compatible. Everything else people are complaining is just people being angry about those three things. Both of them can be programmed out and BC from 360 games is probably not a big deal. (again, PS4 does it as well).

Or people are just angry because the world is changing. It's funny, people bitched about Steam for this exact reason but there is a bajillion awesome games on it and sales and suddenly, people forget.

Itunes is popular too, but popularity/commercial success often happens despite legitimate issues..

When you can't play a game because Steam's going through maintenance, or you're experiencing connectivity issues, that's a problem.

"Always online" is one reason I still enjoy retro gaming, via older consoles and sites, older discs, and sites like Gog..

Originally posted by Smasandian
You mean the Direct X and all the MS C++ stuff?

Or game updates? Or Steam updates?

Game updates

soon as you install it......bam a update starts, it would make more sense for the game to be automatically updated before you buy it.

Originally posted by Peach
That would be a relevant point if smartphone games cost as much as a console game...which is not the case at all.

It's a completely relevant point- it is how the new generation are coming to see the default. And as it becomes more established, more substantial products will be available this way at higher prices. Talk of the cost makes no difference to the principle. You just watch and see where the future goes; this is the way, and people won't mind because the principle, as established by the likes of smartphone purchases, will be the norm.

After all, games simply are not physical products any more. Games don't resemble what's on the disc, if any. They get so patched and tweaked and altered, half the time if you even have a disc for a game you have to download half as much again. Games are digital data, and the principle there is that such data purchases get tied to an account, just like on a smartphone. We're just still in this awkward point where you can still initially buy the data on a disc for transfer, is all.

Steam is brilliant, anyway. The advantages massively outweigh the issues- there is no perfect system, and there can always be problems. You have to look at the overall process, and Steam is the best system I've ever seen for handling gaming.

Can't really complain about a program updating itself, or games updating. Updates are always a good thing.

Do you remember the days before Steam where you had to fetch patches/updates from file shares and install them yourself? Very annoying.

Weird. When I install a game on Steam, it just works. Unless your talking about the Direct X and c++ redistributable, which have to be installed when you first start the game after install.

Anywhoo, I was reading an article and the comparison for both consoles is almost comparable but XBOX One should be cheaper price wise. Also, the console should be quieter, lesser power consumption. It's also cool that both OS (Windows Kernal and XBOX OS) are VM's running from Hyper V.

Also, XBOX One will have the ability to offload significant chunks of processing power to the cloud so in theory, the console can handle larger player counts and stay relevant for longer periods of time. I could see this being very beneficial to persistent online games.

(http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4)

It's also really irritating you'll need the Kinect for everything and should it be damaged in any unfortunate events, the One would be a useless brick. Even if the game you played didn't support the Kinect, you still need to keep the thing hooked up for some stupid reason in order to play it.

It comes with the XBOX One. It's part of the system. Would you complain if it was integrated into the system? What happens if the SoC chip inside the XBOX One breaks? You would get it fixed? Would you have the replace the system?

It's one thing to make the Kinect a separate purchase, but it comes with the system when you buy it.

It's better for something to come with a system than just be a peripheral. Witness the fate of the PS Move, which may have been more sophisticated motion stick than the Wii Remote, but failed because it was not integral to the PS system, so most designers were not thinking about it and those that did were thinking about the limited user uptake, as opposed to the default 100% uptake of the Wii Remote.

Kinect is a stronger- or at least a more distinctive- concept than Move, so it has had a better market despite, by any reasonable analysis, really only producing crap other than some dance games. In theory, this version of Kinect should be in a strong position- distinctive as a selling point and integral to the system.

... yet I'm not convinced. Although it does come with the system, it's not absolutely fundamental to the system design like the Wii Remote is, or the tablet for Wii U (you literally cannot build games for Wii and Wii U without taking those into account, whilst you don't have to use the Kinect), and I don't quite see it having the same sort of uptake. I'll reserve judgement on whether it actually functions or not, or whether it will just be more debacles like Steel Battalion 2.

Originally posted by Smasandian
It comes with the XBOX One. It's part of the system. Would you complain if it was integrated into the system? What happens if the SoC chip inside the XBOX One breaks? You would get it fixed? Would you have the replace the system?

It's one thing to make the Kinect a separate purchase, but it comes with the system when you buy it.

You're telling me that as if I didn't watch the reveal. Yeah it does come with the console (no crap) but I find it weird that in order for the console to work, you need the Kinect. I'm not saying I dislike the Kinect (I have one and play it in fact) but does Microsoft need to make it important enough the console won't work without it?

Hello everyone. Is my first post here. I don't think the fact that Xbox One need the kinect to work is a very big deal since a person that has the 360 with Kinect doesn't take out the kinect to play, so unless Xbox One didn't come with the kinect, I don't see a problem with needing the kinect to work. I've seen many people complaining about the Xbox One for reasons I don't understand. Xbox One won't have some "features" that the Xbox 360 had and no one used but now people complain about not being able to do things that even when they could, never did. Xbox One won't have backward compatibility and I really don't mind. I'm an old gamer and NES, Super Nintendo, N64, Gamecube, first Xbox (for obvious reasons), etc. didn't have backward compatibility and people didn't care. Consoles started giving out the backward compatibility as an extra feature and now for some people is a necessity. If I want to play Xbox 360, I will have my 360 hooked to the tv next to the Xbox ONE, so I really don't need it and also, I've never seen anyone using the Xbox 360 to plax Xbox's games. People also complain about the Xbox One being online most of the time. Most of the gamers that play Xbox 360, already spend most of the time online so what's the big deal? Besides... when you turn on your Xbox 360, whats the first thing it does? Log in to Xbox Live and do people complain about that? What will the difference be? Probably that people like to complain about things just to complain and no real reason (not always but many times).