That novel isn't of the same stature as the novel in the question. THe novel in question is directly linked and related to the highest form of canon. In fact, it's the book about the highest form of canon. Contradictions to that in subsequent novels don't carry as much weight as you're making out. In fact, what did the later novel state other than he's vulnerable. Ummm okay... so was kenobi.
That makes no sense KT. The fact that a novel is attached to a movie doesn't make it retcon-proof. That's pretty dumb.
But that this one was line-edited by Lucas, unlike the others, means contradicting it is gonna be damn near hard.
And the only "retcons" at play are Sidious and Vader's OPINIONS. There is no retcon.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
That makes no sense KT. The fact that a novel is attached to a movie doesn't make it retcon-proof. That's pretty dumb.But that this one was line-edited by Lucas, unlike the others, means contradicting it is gonna be damn near hard.
And the only "retcons" at play are Sidious and Vader's OPINIONS. There is no retcon.
Im curious.. you're claiming that all the novels in the expanded universe count the same. Certainly you can't believe novels (based on the movies) which were extensively gone over by Lucas (more so than any others) don't count for more than ones not so with Lucas himself. To say nothign of the fact that we're talking about novels based on the highest form of canon itself.
I agree with the rest of your post by the way
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sure, it's contradicted by a later-released novel.Also, Jedi are trained to disarm, not kill (although, according to Fightsaber, when fighting ''extremely dangerous opponents'', they are willing to kill).
By that logic, we can say Mace held back against Sidious because he came to ''arrest'' him, not kill him.
The Jedi Path points out that they're literally taught to 'dis-arm', being taught to favor crippling strikes.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Im curious.. you're claiming that all the novels in the expanded universe count the same. Certainly you can't believe novels (based on the movies) which were extensively gone over by Lucas (more so than any others) don't count for more than ones not so with Lucas himself. To say nothign of the fact that we're talking about novels based on the highest form of canon itself.I agree with the rest of your post by the way
As far as I know, all movie novels are C canon. ROTS nebulous exception notwithstanding.
Anakin maybe more powerful but it was clearly shown in all due respects to everyone's opinion,Kenobi survived because he adapted,whether its Mustafar,Naboo,or Coruscant.
He adapted.Plus he was giving ground and leading Anakin,zone or vader,
to where he might have known(IMO) He would have the Advantage.
Again whether its Mustafar,Naboo,or where ever.
Soresu,allowed him to survive,Sokan gave him his tactical advantage,and Ataru,well Ataru speaks for itself.
We all know what mark of contact took Zone, Vader,or Anakin down.
As for your fanboy comment; I respect what Kenobi did to survive.
I don't even like Kenobi. Whether he's zone ,vader,or super,Kenobi
will always take him down. In new hope,Kenobi allowed himself to lose and become one with the Force. Vader didn't win,Kenobi let him win.
To save Luke and Leia(IMO).
As far as novels go,they're a good read,some of them(IMO)
and some are like why bother to write when in almost every NJO novel,
Luke has a different power level or some new ability that nobody else can't have or do?
What about the other Jedi?Anyway I try to read everything before NJO and way after.But who cares right? Its just good entertainment.
Originally posted by Lord LucienEven with the novels included, I still think my point is valid.
I would 100% agree with you... if this were the PT forum, that uses only the films. But as a subset of the EU forum, we use everything, including the novelizations--especially if they've been line-edited and approved by Lucas himself. It's why I keep saying "the novel makes it clear". And it does. The novel's the only reason we really know about Z0ne Anakin.The film as a stand alone doesn't show any of those situations detailed in the above quotes. It has Obi-Wan getting choked and breaking free. It has both of them getting tired and moving slower by the end, and it has them on equal footing during the Force push duel. Judging solely by the movies Anakin=Obi-Wan if not Anakin<Obi-Wan (though to be fair, the movie sucks). But again, this the EU forum. We don't disregard G-canon, Lucas-approved works just because we haven't read them.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
But it's not. Sidious was speculating and not omniscient. And we already know from DARTH PLAGUEIS that Sidious didn't know the specifics of Maul's fight with the Jedi and had to "imagine the contest."
You wonder how I know what transpired here. It is my job to know everything that affects my plan to take over the galaxy. There are ways to find out anything. Even what lies in the hearts and minds of living beings. My knowledge gives me power. And I do not need to reveal how I come by it.
Either way, my last excerpt wasn't Sidious.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The Jedi Path points out that they're literally taught to 'dis-arm', being taught to favor crippling strikes.
Vader says that he ''was not powerful enough to kill Obi-Wan'' and in response Sidious says ''No, so imagine what Yoda might have done to you!''. But he didn't really disagree with it considering that, earlier in the book, it's said that ''not even Sidious did expect Anakin's defeat at Obi-Wan's hands''. <-loose paragraphs.