Originally posted by dadudemon
It is a good thing they did come, though, as Walt was in a moment of weakness. He didn't want Hank to die but the only way to end the Hank fiasco was for Hank to die. Jack knew something was up. He also explained some of his logic because Walt had a specific set of coordinates. Put yourself in Jack's shoes: seems odd that Walt would call up, begging for help and then all of a sudden, calling it off rather reluctantly.
Except it wasn't. Walt knew that the meth business means death or going to jail sooner or later. He was clearly willing to give himself up when Hank had him cornered. That wasn't a moment of weakness, that was merely Walt accepting the reality of the situation. If Hank's death was the only way to clear off the mess, then he wouldn't have called off Jack in the first place. He would have remained hidden from the DEA agents, and allowed the Nazis to take care of the situation once they arrived. Then Hank wouldn't have had the chance to call Marie, and that kleptomaniac b1tch wouldn't have gotten the chance to try and spite Skyler by telling her what was transpiring between Walt and Hank, and Walt could have kept this a secret from his family.
Walt decided to give up, but fate kicked in and then kicked him in the butt with Hank's death.
Originally posted by dadudemon
But...it was all Jesse's fault that they were there.
Hence my point stands, and there is nothing to argue here.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think those two things do not equate...rather, it's too simple they way you put it.Jesse caused this mess. Walt would not have been arrested by Hank "dead to rights" if Jesse wouldn't have been such a piece of crap. Marie wouldn't have contacted Skyler and freaked everyone in Walt's family out, and Hank would not be dead. This lead to Walt having to figure something out which appears to be trying to get his wife and family off the hook, taking the blame for Hank's death, and having to go into hiding as a new person. All Jesse's fault if he would have just stop being such a b*tch.
Nope, it's exactly the way I put it. Jesse was the reason that entire clusterphuck of events even transpired, and since both he and the Nazis were there right at the spot, Walt decided to get them to finish the job that they had come to start. This time however, he didn't care about the manner of his execution, or that the Nazis were willing to torture him for days to come.
Otherwise, Walt was no way in hell okay with what went down there. Not even in the slightest. You don't go about planning a hit on people that you're even "slightly okay" with.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It wasn't stolen
It absolutely was.
Originally posted by dadudemon
as Walt agreed to it.
After a very specific condition, one which the Nazis very specifically ignored.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, let's not. Let's stick with the content I replied to directly and commented on because that portion of your post is exactly what I commented about, not anything else. This reply amounts to nothing more than a redherring. You goofed, talked about "Walt" being the focus, and I showed you where it wasn't. Move on. I am.
I suppose your real issue with me is that I didn't address each of the SchwartzVSNazi points you made. I'll do it now, especially for you DDM:
"1. Offer 1/8 of the profits."
Profits which they did practically nothing to earn, with the only possible exception for Todd, and he used to get his cut as well while he was still assisting Walt in the cook.
"2. Save him from going to jail for the rest of his life."
Save him from something which he was willing to submit to? How generous of them.
"3. Kill 11 people that might rat on him or his operation."
Paid for it. Lol. Try again.
"4. Take over his drug enterprise after he wanted to retire."
What a bullshit point to make in this discussion. First of all, it wasn't the Nazis who were willing to take after his operation, that boat belonged to Declan's crew. Lydia was the one who arranged for it to be transferred to the Nazis. And where exactly do you get the notion that Walt even cared a rat's ass about what happened in the meth business at that point(apart from the obvious fact about something that might compromise his criminal secrets)? That's the only way for this point of yours to even make sense at all in this conversation.
"5. Torture a traitor to get all information possible to prevent them all from going to jail."
Again, a bullshit point. During the time period that Jesse was getting tortured, Walt had already gone to the Vacuum Repair guy and managed to acquire a new identity to make a fresh start. And it didn't really matter, because Skyler eventually spilled his beans, thereby putting Walt on the run. Not to mention what the Nazis were doing had not a lick to do anything with Walt. They were merely saving their own asses.
So there, I have thoroughly addressed and sufficiently answered each of your original points. My claims regarding the parallels between how the Schwartzes and the Nazis make profits off of Walt's brilliance still stands.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Jack did not commit the same "crime". They are very dissimilar and I've already stated the reasons why.
He did though. It's Walt's recipe that his crew was using to make the bucks before the multi-million dollar lottery that they won. It's his recipe that his evil nephew continues to use to make even greater profits(along with the obvious agenda of impressing Lydia).
Just like the Schwartzes using Walt's research make their own big bucks.