Breaking Bad

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Depends. Mike wouldn't have risked coming back into town once his money had been safely delivered to his daughter.

That was Mike's granddaughter. Unless I missed something and it was planned to be given to his daughter instead of the granddaughter.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
...the Nazis stole his blue meth recipe(along with the 80 million $ cash).

It was $68-$70 million. They let him keep a barrel. It's not that bad. All things said, I thought that was a pretty good deal considering how sh*tty Walt was being. Hank had to go. We all thought that in the 3rd season (and not because we hated Hank...Hank was just getting too close).

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
What Neph said. Holding a grudge and feeling butthurt by those two is obvious and expected. But to make their ruin and death the focus of the series finale, when there's far more important and worthwhile things going on, would be retarded writing. There's no other word for it. Dexter was bad writing, but Breaking Bad has been brilliant from the beginning. Suddenly and out-of-nowhere taking a turn for the ridiculous, nonsense, pointless, and stupid in the very last episode can only mean that the entire cast and crew were struck with a sudden case of the Retards.

The Schwartzes are not the point. Conjuring a useless butthurt revenge scheme in the 11th hour concerning two characters who have had a combined hour of screen time over 5 seasons would be the height of retarded writing. The zenith of retarded writing. The apex, the pinnacle, the Everest, the absolute utmost, of retarded writing.

And I refuse to believe that Gilligan and Gang are anything but brilliantly awesome wunderkind.

Vince (we are on a first name basis, I swear, lulz) said that the finale was good and wraps it up nicely (paraphrase). We won't be disappointed.

ddm ****ing up a topic with backseat modding? the hell you say!

i think the brain-matter co-founders are going to be ingesting some ricin. walt gave up on trying to get the money to his family and was turning himself in before he got tv-trolled by them. then he splits on a mission. why did he seem to re-decide to kill uncle jack's crew as a result? i dont know but i think he's going on 2 missions next week. i also have a crackpot theory (im sure im one of many) that his work at grey-matter somehow led to his lung cancer via exposure to some dangerous chemical. thus adding to all the intense long-term butthurt.

i wonder why did todd lie about the meth purity. he told lydia the cook was 92 percent and told jesse that it was 96 percent. was he trying to work on jesse's ego by inflating the purity? imho he was playing on jesse's stockholm syndrome, between that going out of his way to make jesse comfortable with ice cream and sleeping under the stars.

and lydia...omg i hate her. if she survives this series, jimmies will be severely rustled.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
i wonder why did todd lie about the meth purity. he told lydia the cook was 92 percent and told jesse that it was 96 percent.

Different batches probably.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I hope Lydia gets her comeuppance.

She's probably the most cowardly character in recent television. Can't stand to see a dead body but at the first sign that someone might be able to inform on her she tries to have them brutally murdered.

The last few episodes have made me like Skyler a lot more, if no other reason than all the other main cast members are getting shittier (or dead) with the exception of Walt who just gets better each episode.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Asking you to stop being petty and immature in a thread is not backseat modding.

Originally posted by dadudemon

While that's true, it was also the best course of action, in the long-run. Mike would not have left Walt alone with what went down. Do you think he would have just let Walt off the hook after Walt had all of Mike's collegues killed?

Originally posted by dadudemon
That was Mike's granddaughter. Unless I missed something and it was planned to be given to his daughter instead of the granddaughter.

Originally posted by dadudemon

It was $68-$70 million. They let him keep a barrel. It's not that bad. All things said, I thought that was a pretty good deal considering how sh*tty Walt was being. Hank had to go. We all thought that in the 3rd season (and not because we hated Hank...Hank was just getting too close).

Originally posted by focus4chumps
i wonder why did todd lie about the meth purity. he told lydia the cook was 92 percent and told jesse that it was 96 percent.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Can't believe people were seriously arguing Walt's going to kill the Schwartzes.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Except it absolutely is.

Google search to see why you are wrong.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I already gave my opinion regarding the what ifs. But that scene made it clear that Mike's murder was a result of Walt's ego, not a well-planned preemptive strike.

And it ended up being the best thing Walt could have done, imo, which is what I said, earlier.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The amount doesn't matter.

It does, actually. It is the difference between taking all of the money and giving him a significant portion of the money.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
What matters is that they stole his life's work, and even now continue to make profits off of his genius, just like the Schwartzes did.

"Schwartzes" didn't:

1. Offer 1/8 of the profits.
2. Save him from going to jail for the rest of his life.
3. Kill 11 people that might rat on him or his operation.
4. Take over his drug enterprise after he wanted to retire.
5. Torture a traitor to get all information possible to prevent them all from going to jail.

I'd say Walt has a much better relationship with them than the "Schwartzes."

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
96% one was the second batch. The first one shown to Lydia was 92%. The next one was even higher, hence the icecream reward that Jesse got.

Which I found hilarious. Icecream? lol

Has anyone hated Jesse pretty much this entire season? In fact, he has been a piece of crap almost the entire series.

I liked Jesse a lot in the early years, started to not like him as much when he became the whiny indecisive, forget which season it started.

Skyler and Walt Jr. are still the worst, her for being a ****; him for being annoying in every single scene he's been in.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Google search to see why you are wrong.

Originally posted by dadudemon

And it ended up being the best thing Walt could have done, imo, which is what I said, earlier.

Originally posted by dadudemon

It does, actually. It is the difference between taking all of the money and giving him a significant portion of the money.

Originally posted by dadudemon

"Schwartzes" didn't:

1. Offer 1/8 of the profits.
2. Save him from going to jail for the rest of his life.
3. Kill 11 people that might rat on him or his operation.
4. Take over his drug enterprise after he wanted to retire.
5. Torture a traitor to get all information possible to prevent them all from going to jail.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I'd say Walt has a much better relationship with them than the "Schwartzes."

Originally posted by dadudemon

Which I found hilarious. Icecream? lol

Has anyone hated Jesse pretty much this entire season? In fact, he has been a piece of crap almost the entire series.

No he hasn't.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Has anyone hated Jesse pretty much this entire season? In fact, he has been a piece of crap almost the entire series.

No.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No he hasn't.

No.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Just did. It turns out that I am absolutely right.

Is "TheGodKiller's Version of Google" available for public use, yet?

But, feel free to let me know where I said, "Mods, issue bans to TheGodKiller and Quanchi for being off-topic."

Look, from KMC, itself:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f38/t341476.html

No worries! If you wish to discuss this particular topic further, PM me. I will not comment on it in this thread, any more, however.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I don't really care about What Ifs.

Cool, but let's stick to, "This was the most probable outcome" instead of "what if".

Edit - What I mean is, what is Walt's motivations in that whole scene? Why did it play out as it did? You assert one thing, I assert another. I'm pretty sure Walt was just trying to make himself feel worse about it because he felt his humanity slipping away. Contrast that version of Walt that had to painstakingly consider killing Krazy8's murder and how little Walt considered the deaths of Mike's 11 and Mike himself.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Stealing is stealing. Walt offered it to them so that they would spare Hank, which they didn't. They still took most of it anyway.

On the condition that Hank would tell nobody and Hank didn't promise. Hank, instead, said they planned to kill him from the beginning instead of promsing. That pretty much ruined any chance of talking it out.

Additionally, Walt seemed to be mildly okay with what went down because he told them, as they were walking off, that they still owed him Jesse. Lastly, Walt shook on it. Whether that was him just trying to save his own skin or Walt agreeing that this was the best way, we don't exactly know just yet.

Keep in mind that this particular conversation started because you said they took $80 million and I said they didn't because they didn't.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
It's pretty clear that I was talking about Walt,

And it's pretty clear that I am comparing the "Schwartzes" to the Aryans.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
..and how the guy keeps getting ripped off the rewards that result from his brilliance, but somehow you have to overanalyze the parallels and end up making a fool of yourself in the process.

Oh boy, do I feel foolish for comparing the two things you yourself compared. Or are you forgetting the part where you said, "like the Schwartzes"?

Here is your full sentence: "What matters is that they stole his life's work, and even now continue to make profits off of his genius, just like the Schwartzes did."

"They"= The Aryans.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
..He's been a Grade A B1tch, that's for sure.

lol, we agree on something.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No he hasn't.

No.

You know how everyone hated Skyler and wanted her dead? That's how I've felt about Jesse pretty much the entire show. He's been a b*tch almost every episode. The only time I liked him is when he finally killed Gale...oh and the "Workin' with Mike" stuff. Those were good times.

DDM its pretty clear that you were attempting backseat modding regardless of whether you requested bans or not.

Now back on topic or I will warn you a second time.

😛

Originally posted by Robtard
Going to be funny if [when] we have some dead Schwartz next week.

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Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You're about as threatening as the box of kittens that my cousin recently found on her doorstep.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Thats something you have in common then:
You don't seem to be able to use one either.
(Auto correct would autocorrect it, not auto-fu*k it up) 😂

Maybe: Your arrogance leads you to mistakes the whole time.
Walter White was much smarter and less angry/egoish.
Nothing wrong with that...! Its insensitive thickies that have the hardest time. 🙂

Sincerely, Heisenberg.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Is "TheGodKiller's Version of Google" available for public use, yet?

But, feel free to let me know where I said, "Mods, issue bans to TheGodKiller and Quanchi for being off-topic."

Look, from KMC, itself:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f38/t341476.html

No worries! If you wish to discuss this particular topic further, PM me. I will not comment on it in this thread, any more, however.

Nevertheless, your unwitting concession is certainly acceptable here.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Cool, but let's stick to, "This was the most probable outcome" instead of "what if".

Edit - What I mean is, what is Walt's motivations in that whole scene? Why did it play out as it did? You assert one thing, I assert another. I'm pretty sure Walt was just trying to make himself feel worse about it because he felt his humanity slipping away. Contrast that version of Walt that had to painstakingly consider killing Krazy8's murder and how little Walt considered the deaths of Mike's 11 and Mike himself.

Originally posted by dadudemon

On the condition that Hank would tell nobody and Hank didn't promise. Hank, instead, said they planned to kill him from the beginning instead of promsing. That pretty much ruined any chance of talking it out.

Additionally, Walt seemed to be mildly okay with what went down because he told them, as they were walking off, that they still owed him Jesse. Lastly, Walt shook on it. Whether that was him just trying to save his own skin or Walt agreeing that this was the best way, we don't exactly know just yet.

Keep in mind that this particular conversation started because you said they took $80 million and I said they didn't because they didn't.

That's not really him being okay, that's Walt believing that everything that happened here was truly Jesse's fault, and thereby asking them to finish the job that they were originally supposed to do. If he was really just okay with what went down, he wouldn't have planned on going after them while discussing it with Saul.

Misnomer on my part. Ultimately the amount that they stole doesn't matter, as it was Walt's life work which got took, and it got took after they did something he specifically asked them not to do.

Originally posted by dadudemon

And it's pretty clear that I am comparing the "Schwartzes" to the Aryans.

Oh boy, do I feel foolish for comparing the two things you yourself compared. Or are you forgetting the part where you said, "[b]like the Schwartzes"?

Here is your full sentence: "What matters is that they stole his life's work, and even now continue to make profits off of his genius, just like the Schwartzes did."

"They"= The Aryans.
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Originally posted by TheGodKiller
In a way, both the Nazis and the Schwartzes are guilty of the same sin: they made money off of Walt's brilliance. The Schwartzes did so based on the early research that he was doing with Gretchen, while the Nazis stole his blue meth recipe(along with the 80 million $ cash).

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
In a way, both the Nazis and the Schwartzes are guilty of the same sin: they made money off of Walt's brilliance. The Schwartzes did so based on the early research that he was doing with Gretchen, while the Nazis stole his blue meth recipe(along with the 80 million $ cash).

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, Jessie Pinkman.

As far as the Schwartzes go, I'd be surprised if they're a major focal point in the last episode. I think their words during this last episode were merely a vocalization of the writers' intent that Walter White and the last bit of goodness in him vanished while listening to them speak.

He also realized, I believe, that as long as Uncle Jack and Todd are cooking meth that his family is in danger. The prior scene of Walt talking to Flynn made him realize how he could really do nothing for his family, well wiping out Uncle Jack and his crew is really the only thing he can do to potentially help his family.

Also he has an obvious desire not to fade into obscurity, his meth empire was supposed to be his legacy, and with that gone Gray Matter was the only thing left, but with the Schwartzes effectively negating that from him the only thing he has left to do that can leave any kind of mark is go out in a heinous rampage.

And in order to achieve all these things, Walt has to fully embrace Heisenberg. Walter White is dead, Heisenberg is all that remains.

But to go back to these last couple amazing episodes, the most fascinating and unexpected thing for me was how much they focused on the tragedy of the entire story. These were some very emotionally poignant episodes, and I wasn't really expecting that.

@DDM: Slight typo in my previous post, ending paragraph:

Originally posted by dadudemon
You know how everyone hated Skyler and wanted her dead? That's how I've felt about Jesse pretty much the entire show. He's been a b*tch almost every episode. The only time I liked him is when he finally killed Gale...oh and the "Workin' with Mike" stuff. Those were good times.