Originally posted by SamZED
That is actually an interesting topic.
Sometimes Pete says things like "spider sense barely warned me in time" and if we take that as a standart then he wont be able to even process the fact that its tingling when facing someone as fast as Supes.
THEN AGAIN in other instances ss is shown tingling seconds before the attack is even launched regardless of how fast its going to be. Like predicting the future And in that case it will warn Pete a second before Supes goes for the light speed punch simply because it will go off before Supes himself decides to go for the attack. Pete will have the time to realise that its coming and even attempt to dodge. Ofcourse he's gonna get hit either way.
It shouldn't go off in advance of Superman choosing to attack, though. Because until he makes that decision, there's no danger for the SS to detect. If it could detect circumstances outside of the normal flow of time, it wouldn't be spider sense, it would be cosmic awareness..
Therefore, you can assume the hard limit of the SS is the presence of danger.. And Superman can make the decision to act, and then act, faster than the impulses of Peter's brain can process information..
Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much. That's why I said, "against bricks, Spiderman>>Heralds when it comes to combat showings. A person like Kalibak might not even hit Spiderman once if they fought.
No, it's because if Spider-Man gets hit by a brick, half the time he'll be ktfo.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes he would. Because he would move slightly before it was fired. Somewhat like a false start in sprinting. All other characters would move AFTER the laser was fired.
No, he wouldn't, because that's not how it works.
Originally posted by -Pr-No, he wouldn't, because that's not how it works.
So you are saying that Spidey has dodged surprised laser attacks only after the laser fired because he was so fast that he was able to clear his entire body out of the way?
Originally posted by cdtm
It shouldn't go off in advance of Superman choosing to attack, though. Because until he makes that decision, there's no danger for the SS to detect. If it could detect circumstances outside of the normal flow of time, it wouldn't be spider sense, it would be cosmic awareness..Therefore, you can assume the hard limit of the SS is the presence of danger.. And Superman can make the decision to act, and then act, faster than the impulses of Peter's brain can process information..
SS just doesn't go off intentions. It can and has went off future sense. There are many examples of Spidey avoiding accidental danger before it even occurred.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
His Spider-Sense goes off at the same time whether it is Superman or Joe Cool attacking him. It's fine when it's Joe Cool... more than enough time to react, but not when it's Superman. Spider-man's Spider-Sense won't even finishing going off before Superman decks him. That's how fast Superman is. Spider-man's mind won't even process the fact that his Spider-Sense is going off before he gets laid out by Clark.What don't you understand about this?
You shouldn't debate in threads about characters you know nothing about. Spidey's SS has warned him in far excess (in seconds) before incidents are even initialized.
Again, it has warned him at the same time too. But we are talking about Spidey at his best here. There is no way for him to completely clear a laser beam if he didn't clear his entire body before the laser even shot out.
Originally posted by SamZEDAgain reflexes has nothing to do with getting hit. It has something to do with the time it takes to first react. Spidey will react BEFORE the event but that doesn't mean he will be fast enough to finish his dodging motion. But make no mistake, he will have begun to dodge BEFORE the attack is launched, no matter how fast it is. Him getting hit was simply a result of his limited speed, not reflexes
That is actually an interesting topic.
Sometimes Pete says things like "spider sense barely warned me in time" and if we take that as a standart then he wont be able to even process the fact that its tingling when facing someone as fast as Supes.
THEN AGAIN in other instances ss is shown tingling seconds before the attack is even launched regardless of how fast its going to be. Like predicting the future And in that case it will warn Pete a second before Supes goes for the light speed punch simply because it will go off before Supes himself decides to go for the attack. Pete will have the time to realise that its coming and even attempt to dodge. Ofcourse he's gonna get hit either way.
Originally posted by h1a8
SS just doesn't go off intentions. It can and has went off future sense. There are many examples of Spidey avoiding accidental danger before it even occurred.
But there WAS danger present. My point, is a Superman that isn't even thinking about making an attack, poses no danger. Therefore, there's nothing for the SS to react to..
It's entirely a reactionary power. It is not future sense.. It can't detect that if he goes to England in two weeks, that Bruce Banner will also be in England, Hulk out, and try and attack him. It can't detect that Captain America will choose to hit him during a seemingly harmless conversation.. It can sense the attack coming a moment before, because that's what it does, but it wont' warn him that Cap will suddenly turn hostile. That's not how the SS works.
And the problem with dealing with a speedster, is that they're faster then brain impulses. He may as well be unconscious, if a high end speedster suddenly decides to hit him.
Originally posted by Kid KurdyIt's not. That timeline was changed in the same issue and so now falls under the "alt reality" category. And it was a clear case of writers saying "Hey it wont be canon by the end of the issue so lets have them all die like incompetent idiots" anyway. Spider-man's reacted to Mjolnir on several occasions.
I don't think that's canon.
Originally posted by -Pr-Are you saying that every time Spider-man runs circles around bricks he only does it because he's a hero and heroes aren't supposed to get knocked out and so screw 90% of his combat showing against bricks?
No, it's because if Spider-Man gets hit by a brick, half the time he'll be ktfo
Originally posted by h1a8You sure you quoted the right poster? Because we basically said the exact same thing except I talked about how various writers depict ss.
Again reflexes has nothing to do with getting hit. It has something to do with the time it takes to first react. Spidey will react BEFORE the event but that doesn't mean he will be fast enough to finish his dodging motion. But make no mistake, he will have begun to dodge BEFORE the attack is launched, no matter how fast it is. Him getting hit was simply a result of his limited speed, not reflexes
Originally posted by cdtmSS is often shown warning about a future threat before there's immediate danger. I remember Ezekiel addressed that and explaining it with magic. He even mocked Pete for thinking that his powers are science based when no spider ever demonstrated an ability to sense future danger.
It shouldn't go off in advance of Superman choosing to attack, though. Because until he makes that decision, there's no danger for the SS to detect. If it could detect circumstances outside of the normal flow of time, it wouldn't be spider sense, it would be cosmic awareness..Therefore, you can assume the hard limit of the SS is the presence of danger.. And Superman can make the decision to act, and then act, faster than the impulses of Peter's brain can process information..
Originally posted by SamZED
SS is often shown warning about a future threat before there's immediate danger. I remember Ezekiel addressed that and explaining it with magic. He even mocked Pete for thinking that his powers are science based when no spider ever demonstrated an ability to sense future danger.
Such as? If it warns him with seconds to spare, that could just be danger that was present, but not really obvious at the time. "Why's my spider sense going crazy" normally happens in those cases, but there's usually a reason.. He just doesn't know what it is yet.
Warning him not to step on a landmine, an electrified floor, or having him step out of the way before getting hit by a meteor is usually how it works.. I've even seen it warn him away from disease. But I can't see it warning him in advance that, say, he should avoid getting up in the morning because Hulk will level the Daily Bugle in ten minutes.
Originally posted by h1a8
So you saying that he wouldn't ever move before the fire when there is said feats showing him move before the incident occurred?So you are saying that Spidey has dodged surprised laser attacks only after the laser fired because he was so fast that he was able to clear his entire body out of the way?
No, what I'm saying is that even if he had that headstart, it doesn't make his reflexes faster.
Originally posted by SamZED
Are you saying that every time Spider-man runs circles around bricks he only does it because he's a hero and heroes aren't supposed to get knocked out and so screw 90% of his combat showing against bricks?
Not every time, no. I'm not saying Spider-Man isn't fast; just that the reason guys like Thor, or Superman if you want a more definitive example, can afford to get hit by bricks is because they can take the hit. It doesn't make Spider-Man faster, is what I'm saying.
Example: Spider-Man would dance around Grundy, while Superman would get hit. Do we say thats because Spider-Man is faster? Of course not.
Originally posted by cdtmLike walking passed a criminal who is just minding his own buiseness and not planning to hurt anyone in the nearest future let alone attack Spider-man? Yet ss goes off. Or warns him NOT to take his mask off because somebody is watching from far away. Since when is that an immidiate danger? Or any kind of danger for that matterat. Its not like spider sense is worried about Pete's secret id. Or worried about a potential threat to his relatives if its exposed. Or how about warning him that somebody ELSE is in danger few blocks away. Heck I remember an instance when a warning from spider sense made Pete attacked a group of criminals who were only PLANNING to rob a store. It ended with them threatening to sue him because they werent doing anything illegal, still they were surprised that he knew that they we plotting something. Im not pulling those example out of my @$$, it was even confirmed on pannel that his ss sometimes warns him of potential future threats. Fact is spider sense is a complicated magical plot device that does not work that simple.
Such as? If it warns him with seconds to spare, that could just be danger that was present, but not really obvious at the time. "Why's my spider sense going crazy" normally happens in those cases, but there's usually a reason.. He just doesn't know what it is yet.Warning him not to step on a landmine, an electrified floor, or having him step out of the way before getting hit by a meteor is usually how it works.. I've even seen it warn him away from disease. But I can't see it warning him in advance that, say, he should avoid getting up in the morning because Hulk will level the Daily Bugle in ten minutes.
Originally posted by -Pr-Ah gotcha. My bad.
Not every time, no. I'm not saying Spider-Man isn't fast; just that the reason guys like Thor, or Superman if you want a more definitive example, can afford to get hit by bricks is because they can take the hit. It doesn't make Spider-Man faster, is what I'm saying.Example: Spider-Man would dance around Grundy, while Superman would get hit. Do we say thats because Spider-Man is faster? Of course not.
Originally posted by -Pr-This reminds me of a question I may've once posed on the forum regarding agility. A big part of agility is speed. Superman is faster than Spider-Man. Is he therefore, ultimately, more agile, but we don't see that because Superman doesn't have to dodge; he can, as you say, take the hit?
Not every time, no. I'm not saying Spider-Man isn't fast; just that the reason guys like Thor, or Superman if you want a more definitive example, can afford to get hit by bricks is because they can take the hit. It doesn't make Spider-Man faster, is what I'm saying.
On the other hand, sometimes Superman does get clocked by someone with sufficient power. Yet he still doesn't dodge. Is this because he really isn't as agile as Spider-Man -- keeping in mind that speed is not the only factor in agility?
Things get tricky when characters respond a certain way because that's how they're "supposed" to respond.
The only factor of agility that Spiderman would be possibly superior to Superman would be coordination maybe.
He's still woefully behind in reaction time and physical speed, which is all you really need most of the time if you have sufficient room.
Basically, its comics. 'Agility' like many other things in comics gets contorted into something its not.
Yes, Superman is more agile than Spiderman. He has more time to do things, and his musculature will allow him to do any superfluous flips that streets are known for. He just may look like a buffoon while doing so. 😛
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWI think in other versions the webbing is deattached automatically when he stops pessing the button. Either way that shouldnt have happened. But like Endless Mike said, writers forget. Or ignore...
His webshooters have pincers that separate the webbing.There was one instance when Parker invented stronger webbing and then had to use his superstrength to break the thread because pincers couldn't cut through it. But in that Thor fight I'm pretty sure he was using standard webbing.
Originally posted by SamZED
I think in other versions the webbing is deattached automatically when he stops pessing the button. Either way that shouldnt have happened. But like Endless Mike said, writers forget. Or ignore...
Yes, it is... because of the automatic pincers/locking mechanism 😛
His webshooters may vary though, not sure, he has tons of appearances...
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWLol fine. You know you spend so much time looking for embarrassing pages of Spider-man you unintentionally became one of KMC's top Spider-man expers.😛
Yes, it is... because of the automatic pincers/locking mechanism 😛His webshooters may vary though, not sure, he has tons of appearances...