Originally posted by h1a8
False, Spidey can move a good distance in 1 sec. If his SS gives him a 1 sec head start then he would be out of the way before Superman even starts his motion. If Spidey moves AFTER Superman starts his motion then he will get hit.
Spidey dodges lasers ONLY because he moves out of the way BEFORE they are initialized.
Exactly how far can Spider-man move in 1 sec?
Things like Pre-Cog/Mindreading is useless fluff if you are still too physically slow.
Somewhat similar;
Fight some hard boss in a video game and put on slow-motion mode for everything, and even if you see the attacks being telegraphed easier now, there's still the issue of you needing to move fast enough to do anything about it--which will still be hard, seeing as you're still moving at the same relative speed that made the boss tough to begin with.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's pre-cog that makes Spidey #1 on the list.Also it is a fallacy to assume that hitting a character means you have faster reflexes than them. So showings of Hulk tagging Spidey doesn't mean Hulk has faster reflexes than Spidey.
Silver Surfer also has the ability to see into the future... he doesn't use it as often as Spidey does but it is within his powerset.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Things like Pre-Cog/Mindreading is useless fluff if you are still too physically slow.Somewhat similar;
Fight some hard boss in a video game and put on slow-motion mode for everything, and even if you see the attacks being telegraphed easier now, there's still the issue of you needing to move fast enough to do anything about it--which will still be hard, seeing as you're still moving at the same relative speed that made the boss tough to begin with.
Yes.
I have no idea why this point needs to be stressed to certain posters, but there is a difference between perceiving an attack and reacting to it.
Surfer speedblitzed Nova, Spider-man speedblitzed entire teams of people with superhuman reflexes. Its not as cut and dry as you make it sound. Guys like Thor and SS logically should have better reflexes and combat speed but thats not how they're usually shown in comics. [/B]
But Nova is a very fast guy, who can react with the help of the World Mind and he has many speed feats. Look his fight against Drax.
Originally posted by eaebiakuyaIm familiar with Nova but imo its a two way street. Spider-man at one point ran circles around Surfer himself, Pete moved so fast Namor couldn't even follow his movement, speedblitzed upgraded Kain, danced around teams of superheroes with them unable to lay a finger on him, even blitzed some teams etc Not many heralds display that kind of combat speed, they usually trade blows or blasts while Spider-man is often shown landing 10 hits for every hit he takes against the same characters.
But Nova is a very fast guy, who can react with the help of the World Mind and he has many speed feats. Look his fight against Drax.
Originally posted by SamZED
Im familiar with Nova but imo its a two way street. Spider-man at one point ran circles around Surfer himself, Pete moved so fast Namor couldn't even follow his movement, speedblitzed upgraded Kain, danced around teams of superheroes with them unable to lay a finger on him, even blitzed some teams etc Not many heralds display that kind of combat speed, they usually trade blows or blasts while Spider-man is often shown landing 10 hits for every hit he takes against the same characters.
Pretty much. That's why I said, "against bricks, Spiderman>>Heralds when it comes to combat showings. A person like Kalibak might not even hit Spiderman once if they fought.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Silver Surfer also has the ability to see into the future... he doesn't use it as often as Spidey does but it is within his powerset.
Although Surfer never uses it in battle it does constitute as pre-cog and thus his reflexes can exceed Spidey's. So Surfer might be the top dog here.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Exactly how far can Spider-man move in 1 sec?
He once covered the distance of at least 10 yards before bullets from machine guns traveled a similar distance. This means he covered said distance in less than a hundredth of a second. So in a second he can cover more than 500 yards easily.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
facepalmDo you have no concept of how fast Superman is? He moves well in excess of light speed. Parker's spider-sense wouldn't have even finished going off before Superman finished what ever he was doing.
Let's say Spidey is 10ft away from Superman and Superman will fly into the spot where Spiderman is in exactly 23 seconds from now. Between 22.90 and 22.91 seconds Spidey would have moved his entire body out of the spot. Then when 23 seconds arrives (.09 seconds later) Superman will fly into the spot where Spidey was, completely missing him. What's hard to understand here?
Originally posted by -Pr-
No, he wouldn't.
Yes he would. Because he would move slightly before it was fired. Somewhat like a false start in sprinting. All other characters would move AFTER the laser was fired.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Gladiator speedblitz (forum style lol) X-mens in War of Kings.How the hell you can say Peter reactions something like this:
Or the Gladiator feat.
reflex speed=/=speed
this thread is about reflex speed, not speed. Reflex speed is about acting FIRST not moving the fastest.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Well he moves and activates his power BEFORE the laser fires. Odin is not allowed to activate his power BEFORE the bell. BIG DIFFERENCE!
How? He needs to make an action. He needs time to activate his power. He needs time to move a nanometer. The moment the laser fires he is a statue that is thinking about activating his power but is still frozen
Originally posted by cdtm
Catching bullets >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aim dodging laser.Nobody dodges an actual laser, unless they're Flash or Quicksilver.
False, aim dodging as in what street levelers do =/= what Spidey does. Spidey can dodge a laser from a stand still by moving right before it fires. No street leveler can do this. Spidey will be the first to act from a standstill to any threat before any character on the list.
Bottom line, Spidey can act BEFORE anyone on the list. This is why he has the best reflex speed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Speed=/=reflex speed. Reflex speed is acting first, speed is moving quickest.
What if Surfer got into a hand to hand fight with Spidey, and Surfer had his strength capped at Spidey level, but kept his speed?
Originally posted by h1a8
Let's say Spidey is 10ft away from Superman and Superman will fly into the spot where Spiderman is in exactly 23 seconds from now. Between 22.90 and 22.91 seconds Spidey would have moved his entire body out of the spot. Then when 23 seconds arrives (.09 seconds later) Superman will fly into the spot where Spidey was, completely missing him. What's hard to understand here?
Why someone who can act within one millionth of a second would have trouble catching someone that takes .09 seconds to move out of the way.
Originally posted by cdtm
Why someone who can act within one millionth of a second would have trouble catching someone that takes .09 seconds to move out of the way.
Reread my post. You didn't understand. I said that Spidey will move out the way between 22.90 and 22.91 seconds (.01 seconds to move out of the way). Superman will fly at 23 seconds (.09 seconds after Spidey moved).
Think of this, you ducking my punch before I swing. When you are ducked I swing at a spot where you are not.
Let's say Spidey is 10ft away from Superman and Superman will fly into the spot where Spiderman is in exactly 23 seconds from now. Between 22.90 and 22.91 seconds Spidey would have moved his entire body out of the spot. Then when 23 seconds arrives (.09 seconds later) Superman will fly into the spot where Spidey was, completely missing him. What's hard to understand here?
What's hard to understand is how when the clock strikes 23 seconds, when Spidey has moved his entire body out of the way, that Superman cannot also readjust his trajectory...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85If Superman readjust his trajectory he will hit Spidey and thus because a smart attack. I already covered this in the beginning. I said against dumb attacks (attacks that can't adjust) Spidey can dodge anything. Dodging smart attacks require speed, not just reflexes.
What's hard to understand is how between 22.90 and 22.91 seconds, when Spidey is moving his entire body out of the way, that Superman cannot also readjust his trajectory...
Christ.
Spider-man doesn't get a 23 second advanced warning. He gets a split second head start. Superman moves faster than light speed. Inbetween the moment Spider-man's spider-sense goes off and the time he starts reacting to that alert, Superman can go to Jamba Juice, get a refreshing beverage, read every book in the library, write a four act play, then come back and hit Spider-man before Peter's sense even finished going off.
Originally posted by srankmissingninNo the SS goes off before the attack is launched. It gives him a head start to move. Also you are making the fallacy of equating speed with reflex speed. The fact is Spidey will act before Superman moves but he will get hit because he isn't fast enough. This thread is about reflex speed and not speed
Christ.Spider-man doesn't get a 23 second advanced warning. He gets a split second head start. Superman moves faster than light speed. Inbetween the moment Spider-man's spider-sense goes off and the time he starts reacting to that alert, Superman can go to Jamba Juice, get a refreshing beverage, read every book in the library, write a four act play, then come back and hit Spider-man before Peter's sense even finished going off.
Originally posted by h1a8
No the SS goes off before the attack is launched. It gives him a head start to move. Also you are making the fallacy of equating speed with reflex speed. The fact is Spidey will act before Superman moves but he will get hit because he isn't fast enough. This thread is about reflex speed and not speed
Clark isn't some human level thug. He moves and thinks hundreds to thousands of times faster than the speed of light. What about that are you having trouble grasping? Spider-man wouldn't have time to process the fact that his spider-sense is going off before Superman hit him. Parker gets a slit second advanced warning... against Superman that is an eternity. Superman's reaction time is equal to his speed, Spider-man will not act before Superman moves.
Originally posted by srankmissingninWhat are you talking about? The SS can go off well before before the attack is launched. He begins to act BEFORE the attack. He gets a head start. This has nothing to do with him getting hit or not (which deals with speed). The very act of beginning is the measure of reflex speed, not the act of completing a movement.
Clark isn't some human level thug. He moves and thinks hundreds to thousands of times faster than the speed of light. What about that are you having trouble grasping? Spider-man wouldn't have time to process the fact that his spider-sense is going off before Superman hit him. Parker gets a slit second advanced warning... against Superman that is an eternity. Superman's reaction time is equal to his speed, Spider-man will not act before Superman moves.
In other words, Spidey will begin before Superman moves but he's not fast enough to clear away.
Originally posted by h1a8
What are you talking about? The SS can go off well before before the attack is launched. He begins to act BEFORE the attack. He gets a head start. This has nothing to do with him getting hit or not (which deals with speed). The very act of beginning is the measure of reflex speed, not the act of completing a movement.In other words, Spidey will begin before Superman moves but he's not fast enough to clear away.
His Spider-Sense goes off at the same time whether it is Superman or Joe Cool attacking him. It's fine when it's Joe Cool... more than enough time to react, but not when it's Superman. Spider-man's Spider-Sense won't even finishing going off before Superman decks him. That's how fast Superman is. Spider-man's mind won't even process the fact that his Spider-Sense is going off before he gets laid out by Clark.
What don't you understand about this?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
His Spider-Sense goes off at the same time whether it is Superman or Joe Cool attacking him. It's fine when it's Joe Cool... more than enough time to react, but not when it's Superman. Spider-man's Spider-Sense won't even finishing going off before Superman decks him. That's how fast Superman is. Spider-man's mind won't even process the fact that his Spider-Sense is going off before he gets laid out by Clark.What don't you understand about this?
That is actually an interesting topic.
Sometimes Pete says things like "spider sense barely warned me in time" and if we take that as a standart then he wont be able to even process the fact that its tingling when facing someone as fast as Supes.
THEN AGAIN in other instances ss is shown tingling seconds before the attack is even launched regardless of how fast its going to be. Like predicting the future And in that case it will warn Pete a second before Supes goes for the light speed punch simply because it will go off before Supes himself decides to go for the attack. Pete will have the time to realise that its coming and even attempt to dodge. Ofcourse he's gonna get hit either way.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
His Spider-Sense goes off at the same time whether it is Superman or Joe Cool attacking him. It's fine when it's Joe Cool... more than enough time to react, but not when it's Superman. Spider-man's Spider-Sense won't even finishing going off before Superman decks him. That's how fast Superman is. Spider-man's mind won't even process the fact that his Spider-Sense is going off before he gets laid
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