Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Wrong again, you should be used to it by now. 😉
Let's be honest here among our peers.
I'm totally correct in the belief that Odin Force Thor was and is more powerful than Thor without the Odin Force, regardless of what era you want to pluck him from. To argue otherwise would be:
-Ignoring on panel evidence showing this fact.
-Ignoring statements which actually verify this fact.
-Ignoring the vast history of the Odin Force explicitly amping characters.
-Ignoring plain ol' common sense that an explicitly stated/shown amp makes someone more powerful than without it.
Not sure how you can retreat from the discussion at hand and then have the gall to claim I'm wrong when you haven't even successfully made a halfway decent rebuttal.
So, yeah, concession accepted.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Let's be honest here among our peers.I'm totally correct in the belief that Odin Force Thor was and is more powerful than Thor without the Odin Force, regardless of what era you want to pluck him from. To argue otherwise would be:
-Ignoring on panel evidence showing this fact.
-Ignoring statements which actually verify this fact.
-Ignoring the vast history of the Odin Force explicitly amping characters.
-Ignoring plain ol' common sense that an explicitly stated/shown amp makes someone more powerful than without it.Not sure how you can retreat from the discussion at hand and then have the gall to claim I'm wrong when you haven't even successfully made a halfway decent rebuttal.
So, yeah, concession accepted.
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You are either dense or you are pretending. I explained it to you pretty clear. You agreed at least to the high end feats and still you can't get it?
So yeah, you are wrong again. Nice try though.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
facepalmYou are either dense or you are pretending. I explained it to you pretty clear. You agreed at least to the high end feats and still you can't get it?
So yeah, you are wrong again. Nice try though.
You, somehow, think Classic Thor is > OF Thor and Bor because he did shit like lift the Midgard Serpent and caused rippling effects across time and space and other feats while simultaneously ignoring the fact that Odin Force Thor clearly tells us that without the Odin Force, he would have died from Bor's moderate attack and then performs feats well beyond the capability of Thor without the Odin Force.
And through this haphazard line of "logic" you've decided that OF Thor is merely a "high herald" and so is Bor, therefore DCnU Darkseid "stomps". Even though none of the DCnU League have the feats of classic Thor/OF Thor or Bor.
So, unfortunately, yes, I do understand your argument.
I still accept your concession, though. 👆
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You, somehow, think Classic Thor is > OF Thor and Bor because he did shit like lift the Midgard Serpent and caused rippling effects across time and space and other feats while simultaneously ignoring the fact that Odin Force Thor clearly tells us that without the Odin Force, he would have died from Bor's moderate attack and then performs feats well beyond the capability of Thor without the Odin Force.And through this haphazard line of "logic" you've decided that OF Thor is merely a "high herald" and so is Bor, therefore DCnU Darkseid "stomps". Even though none of the DCnU League have the feats of classic Thor/OF Thor or Bor.
So, unfortunately, yes, I do understand your argument.
I still accept your concession, though. 👆
👆 so you aren't dense, just pretending, there is hope for you.
Beyond Thor in the modern age not classic maybe.
He is, by feats.
DCnU Darkseid proved to be > High Heralds.
Classic Thor =! OF Thor.
Great, so you are only trolling now.
In your dreams. You are delusional though, I give you that.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
👆 so you aren't dense, just pretending, there is hope for you.Beyond Thor in the modern age not classic maybe.
He is, by feats.
DCnU Darkseid proved to be > High Heralds.
Classic Thor =! OF Thor.
Great, so you are only trolling now.
In your dreams. You are delusional though, I give you that.
baka Irony.
Except he's not. Classic Thor whether handled by Lee, Thomas, Starlin, Simonson, Busiek, Jurgens or everyone else in between doesn't hit people hard enough to shatter Mjolnir, no sell the Destroyer (which has and always has been consistent in power level and has actually KILLED Classic Thor), recreate Asgard and its inhabitants, and survive blows which would have explicitly killed him had been without the Odin Force. There is no room for argument here. Stop pretending eras of publication drastically effect Thor's power levels as a whole and somehow the descriptor "classic" makes him more powerful by feats or portrayal.
High heralds with feats inferior to those of Thor w/o the OF, let alone beings beyond that power level such as OF Thor and Bor.
Classic Thor < OF Thor. Christ on a cracker. facepalm What is so hard for you to understand about this simple logic? Thor + Odin Force = A significantly more powerful Thor.
I'm not trolling at all. Everything I've stated is backed by comics.
Moar irony.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
baka Irony.Except he's not. Classic Thor whether handled by Lee, Thomas, Starlin, Simonson, Busiek, Jurgens or everyone else in between doesn't hit people hard enough to shatter Mjolnir, no sell the Destroyer (which has and always has been consistent in power level and has actually KILLED Classic Thor), recreate Asgard and its inhabitants, and survive blows which would have explicitly killed him had been without the Odin Force. There is no room for argument here. Stop pretending eras of publication drastically effect Thor's power levels as a whole and somehow the descriptor "classic" makes him more powerful by feats or portrayal.
High heralds with feats inferior to those of Thor w/o the OF, let alone beings beyond that power level such as OF Thor and Bor.
Classic Thor < OF Thor. Christ on a cracker. facepalm What is so hard for you to understand about this simple logic? Thor + Odin Force = A significantly more powerful Thor.
I'm not trolling at all. Everything I've stated is backed by comics.
Moar irony.
You are talking crap, again...
Classic Thors high end feats > OF Thors feats. there is no room for arguments here.
Your logic isn't simple, it's simply wrong. Modern era Thor + OF > modern era Thor. Nothing more, really.
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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You are talking crap, again...Classic Thors high end feats > OF Thors feats. there is no room for arguments here.
Your logic isn't simple, it's simply wrong. Modern era Thor + OF > modern era Thor. Nothing more, really.
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Classic Thor having high end feats doesn't make him more powerful than Odin Force Thor. Stop trying to spin things to make it the opposite. And Classic Thor still got killed outright by the very same attack Odin Force Thor no sold. That alone should speak volumes over their disparity in power. This is getting ridiculous and downright retarded. And I know all of Thor's high end feats to speak of.
My logic is air-tight. And again, seeing as how Thor, regardless of the era, has had high end feats, slapping "classic" in front of his name doesn't make him more formidable than Odin Force Thor.
Originally posted by ares834I was commenting on your first sentence.
Fair enough. I only really see his high end feats like lifting the Midgard Serpent and stopping the galaxy destroying bomb.I guess people treat him like PC Superman in that respect.
I'm curious, why? I haven't been that impressed by any members of the Justice League in the DCnU yet.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeClassic Thor's high end feats > King Thor high end feats also.
You are talking crap, again...Classic Thors high end feats > OF Thors feats. there is no room for arguments here.
Your logic isn't simple, it's simply wrong. Modern era Thor + OF > modern era Thor. Nothing more, really.
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But even though King Thor never lifted anything as heavy as the Midgard Serpent, or contained a 1/5th universe destroying bomb, or blew a hole in a Celestial, nobody's that stupid enough to suggest that classic Thor is more powerful than King Thor.
Well... except maybe for you apparently. To each his own I guess.
Originally posted by carver9
Maybe you should buy some comics buddy. What I, Carver9 know is that Superman is the most durable on the JLA and he ran from a nuke and got koed from a hit that rammed his head into the moon. This doesn't include his other showings and again, he is the most durable on the team.If this was pre reboot JLA, they would merk Bor but this version of JLA isn't ready yet.
Stop talking.
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For everyone else:
OF Thor is obviously more powerful than Classic Thor due to the fact that he had the Odin Force. Simple.
DCNU Darkseid has very little in the way of actual feats to put him = Classic Thor, tbh, so OF Thor is a bit of a push. I don't see how people can argue for Darkseid in the slightest when the dude was in like, THREE comics, facing off against a team with highly ambiguous power levels.
Usually on the VS we ban threads with characters like that (same with Bor), so I'm not even sure that he should be allowed either.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I never mentioned King Thor, like ever in this thread. Good job at bringing in a new char and putting words in my mouth i never spelled. 👆facepalm
It's the exact same principal, though.
King Thor is obviously more powerful than Odin Force Thor, who in turn, is obviously more powerful than Classic/Current Thor. High end feats don't change that.