Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's the exact same principal, though.King Thor is obviously more powerful than Odin Force Thor, who in turn, is obviously more powerful than Classic/Current Thor. High end feats don't change that.
So I guess you both are a dynamic duo now? As desperate as you are, I won't play the game and argue against King Thor here. There is no reason to bring him into this discussion except desperation... You can both try as hard as you want.
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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So I guess you both are a dynamic duo now? As desperate as you are, I won't play the game and argue against King Thor here. There is no reason to bring him into this discussion except desperation... You can both try as hard as you want.facepalm
Really?
There's no desperation here at all. ODG pointed out that Classic Thor indeed does have high end feats beyond King Thor (not that you brought him up) but that no one in their right mind would argue Classic Thor > King Thor. It's the exact same principal here concerning Odin Force Thor. He's clearly more powerful than Classic Thor by feats.
Not sure how he bringing up King Thor as an example, much like how I used Savage Hulk/Green Scar and Superman and his various incarnations as examples is "desperate" at all.
You were wrong in your assumption. Just own up to it and move on.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Really?There's no desperation here at all. ODG pointed out that Classic Thor indeed does have high end feats beyond King Thor (not that you brought him up) but that no one in their right mind would argue Classic Thor > King Thor. It's the exact same principal here concerning Odin Force Thor. He's clearly more powerful than Classic Thor by feats.
Not sure how he bringing up King Thor as an example, much like how I used Savage Hulk/Green Scar and Superman and his various incarnations as examples is "desperate" at all.
You were wrong in your assumption. Just own up to it and move on.
Really.
Desperation or ... I don't want to insult anyones intelligence.
It's not the same principle, because King Thor > OF thor, or don't you agree that King thor was more powerful then Of Thor?
Your examples weren't good either, you know it but to each his own right.
I wasn't and my stance is absolutely right Classic Thor was more impressive then OF Thor.
Head your own adivce.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeDon't be obtuse.
I never mentioned King Thor, like ever in this thread. Good job at bringing in a new char and putting words in my mouth i never spelled. 👆facepalm
Your rationale behind classic Thor being superior to OF Thor revolved around high end feats. It's true classic Thor's highest end feats are greater than OF Thor's highest end feats (save for matter manipulation). So I just showed you exactly how shallow and narrow-minded that is, since by that insipid standard, classic Thor is more powerful than King Thor (who has no high end feats matching classic Thor's best).
Nobody's being fooled that you're so dumb even you can't see this. You're not establishing any pretense or room to maneuver around this simple deconstruction of your shallow assertions. So do us all a favor and stop pretending to be stupid or clueless because you want to drag out this charade any further. It's boring.
Anyway, Bor should win pretty handily. Darkseid no selling Hal's attacks was very impressive. But Bor, at the very least, was clearly a greater threat than the Destroyer armor. I thought maybe Bor's ability to deal with the Omega Effect could be a little dicey, but then I remembered that Diana just blocked it with her cuffs.
Which wouldn't seem so bad except that Diana's cuffs were completely penetrated by a bullet from Eros' gun. They ain't exactly your dad's WW bracers anymore. So Bor's axe would very likely be able to block the Omega Effect.
Originally posted by Endless MikeMain Man don't mess around. 👆
Lobo did that once
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Really.Desperation or ... I don't want to insult anyones intelligence.
It's not the same principle, because King Thor > OF thor, or don't you agree that King thor was more powerful then Of Thor?
Your examples weren't good either, you know it but to each his own right.
I wasn't and my stance is absolutely right Classic Thor was more impressive then OF Thor.
Head your own adivce.
Are you really not getting this?
Are you actually arguing that a character with high end feats is superior to a character that while lacking those high end feats, is attributed with a very explicit and notable amp to their overall power and formidability which is backed up by on panel evidence showcasing that amp?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Are you really not getting this?Are you actually arguing that a character with high end feats is superior to a character that while lacking those high end feats, is attributed with a very explicit and notable amp to their overall power and formidability which is backed up by on panel evidence showcasing that amp?
Oh I think I understand now what YOu are not getting.
No.
I argue that the SAME character from a different Comic era iow the classic age, was more powerful because he had more impressive feats then he is now. That kind of "depowering" through the decades isn't something new actually.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeSame sh1t. Enough with this tired act. Trying to disguise it with different sentence structure doesn't ground it in a different foundation.
Oh I think I understand now what YOu are not getting.No.
I argue that the SAME character from a different Comic era iow the classic age, was more powerful because he had more impressive feats then he is now. That kind of "depowering" through the decades isn't something new actually.
King Thor, at the time he was the only Thor around and wasn't retconned yet, was in the same situation. Based on your arguments, classic Thor was more powerful because he had more impressive feats than King Thor had. A depowerment, despite the story mandated empowerment. Because of high end feats, you see.
Which again, is stupid. Because you only had to see King Thor defeat the Destroyer and tank his attacks to understand he was clearly more powerful than classic Thor (who always got romped or outright killed by it). Which, ironically, also holds true for OF Thor.
Your guileless attempt at diminishing current Thor or OF Thor in comparison to classic Thor holds no water.
Current Thor killed Durok without Mjolnir (whereas classic Thor got romped and tasked Surfer to deal with him). Current Thor outfought an amped WWH who had help (whereas classic Thor just about always matched Savage Hulk). Current Thor managed to break off chunks of Galactus' helmet (whereas classic Thor hit Galactus' helmet and got called a gnat). Current Thor when weakened defeated Mangog (whereas classic Thor was always rag dolled by him). Current Thor beats the stuffing out of the entire Wrecking Crew in two pages (whereas classic Thor took an entire issue to beat just the Wrecker). OF Thor curbstomped an upgraded Extremis Iron Man in three moves (whereas a lesser Iron Man used to last far longer than that). OF Thor simply recreated Asgard out of thin air (whereas classic Thor did nothing even close to that). And like I said, OF Thor defeated the Destroyer armor and tanked its ultimate attack outright (whereas classic Thor always got romped and literally murdered by its ultimate attack).
And that doesn't even broach all the other high end feats like clipping the wings of the raw Phoenixforce, defeating Glory, staggering Chaos King, etc. So really, whatever feeble myth you're trying to foment here about classic > current Thor, is just contradicted by feats.
And your appeal to the differences between the classic age and the current age is rather misguided if not completely ignorant. Frankly, almost across the line, Marvel characters are far more powerful than they used to be. That includes obvious examples like Hulk, Silver Surfer, Dr. Doom, Xavier, Magneto, Thanos, Annihilus, Scarlet Witch, Galactus, etc. And disregarding the polar extremes of pre-Crisis and the New 52, that also applies to DC's characters like Superman, Lobo, Wonder Woman, Flash(es), Martian Manhunter, Darkseid, Cheetah, Professor Zoom, Sinestro, Aquaman, etc. So whatever surcease you sought from that tired generalization falls rather flat.
In sum, you're not fooling anybody.
^King Thor again? Don't put words in my mouth to suit your needs, capice?
Just because you lack the necessary understanding doesn't excuse your behavior.
As said King Thor > OF Thor.
It's not a myth and well, classic thor fought classic enemies, not a hard concept to grasp, really. kinda
And no, Thor was still more impressive during the classic days. I used to read those comics and can compare it to his modern age self.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeNot hard to understand you have nothing further to contribute.
^King Thor again? Don't put words in my mouth to suit your needs, capice?Just because you lack the necessary understanding doesn't excuse your behavior.
As said King Thor > OF Thor.
It's not a myth and well, classic thor fought classic enemies, not a hard concept to grasp, really. kinda
And no, Thor was still more impressive during the classic days. I used to read those comics and can compare it to his modern age self.
And you never did.
But we knew that already, didn't we?
Originally posted by ODG
Not hard to understand you have nothing further to contribute.And you never did.
But we knew that already, didn't we?
Actually, more then enough. It just needs an open mind and some research.
Coming from you, it's a compliment.
We? You should get some help, for this problem of yours.
I think it's pretty obvious that Thor's current power levels are watered down BIG TIME from decades ago. I don't think we'll ever see him use magnetism, the anti-force, soul sucking, or any of these other exotic powers very often again...if ever. I doubt we'll see him swing his hammer 2x the speed of light again. He gets knocked out every other week. He's not immune to lightning anymore. Hell, I remember that it used to REFRESH HIM, now it knocks him out easier than it knocks out the Silver Surfer. The SS has taken NUMEROUS bolts from Thor, whereas Thor has been ONE SHOTTED by his own lightning. Thor's strength currently, is lower than it's ever been. He used to be able to stalemate the Hulk in strength, now the Hulk treats him like a rag doll. I'll bet the Hulk could currently over power Thor's entire body with one arm.
Also, Thor is now tied to his hammer, so if that breaks, he DIES. Obviously, this current Thor IS DIFFERENT than classic Thor. Maybe he lost some of his own power when he lost the OF....who knows. Also, I don't remember classic Thor's hammer able to be held by others in zero gravity, like this one can.
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@ODG insulting people over the internet and their Parents, wow you are tough, really. kinda
Yeah, I did pretty well in the Bor vs Avengers thread which was closed because of me... wait, it wasn't me, amirite?
You are welcome to continue this with me over PM. It doesn't has to be closed like Bor vs Avengers, right?
Originally posted by keiththegreat
I think it's pretty obvious that Thor's current power levels are watered down BIG TIME from decades ago. I don't think we'll ever see him use magnetism, the anti-force, soul sucking, or any of these other exotic powers very often again...if ever. I doubt we'll see him swing his hammer 2x the speed of light again. He gets knocked out every other week. He's not immune to lightning anymore. Hell, I remember that it used to REFRESH HIM, now it knocks him out easier than it knocks out the Silver Surfer. The SS has taken NUMEROUS bolts from Thor, whereas Thor has been ONE SHOTTED by his own lightning. Thor's strength currently, is lower than it's ever been. He used to be able to stalemate the Hulk in strength, now the Hulk treats him like a rag doll. I'll bet the Hulk could currently over power Thor's entire body with one arm.Also, Thor is now tied to his hammer, so if that breaks, he DIES. Obviously, this current Thor IS DIFFERENT than classic Thor. Maybe he lost some of his own power when he lost the OF....who knows. Also, I don't remember classic Thor's hammer able to be held by others in zero gravity, like this one can.
You should really look at Thor's feats from early, mid, and late 2000's, then, if you really think Thor has been watered down exponentially in terms of power. And comparing how Thor dealt with a weaker Hulk as to how he deals with a Hulk who's been written the highest he's ever been consistently doesn't make Thor any weaker. I can numerous high end feats from "current" Thor that rival the things he's done from the "classic" era.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Wait. Now you're pulling the crying e-victim act? Alright. I'll stop.
No, I stay polite, contrary to you. And there are no victims in the internetforums like here, just people who try to act tough and insulting because they can't win an argument. I pity them. Yeah, stop, it's better or write me a PM. Tough guy 😆
^ Oh, yeah. Super polite. Want some choice quotes between you and JaketheBank posted? But it's an important thing to feel bullied. If you feel bullied, I'll stop. Then again, nobody else noticed you decided to completely stop talking about comics and make things solely about you and me.
And no, I've never seen that happen before. kinda
Originally posted by JakeTheBankDon't be silly. Fighting the most powerful Hulk ever makes Thor weaker then when he struggled with Savage Hulk. C'mon, man.
You should really look at Thor's feats from early, mid, and late 2000's, then, if you really think Thor has been watered down exponentially in terms of power. And comparing how Thor dealt with a weaker Hulk as to how he deals with a Hulk who's been written the highest he's ever been consistently doesn't make Thor any weaker.