Wolverine vs Samurai Jack

Originally posted by The Scenario
Given the weight of his skeleton, Wolverine shouldn't even be able to swim normally. Though a wooden piano may or may not help him float, the amount of surface area it adds for the water to press against would carry him away no matter how hard he swatted the water.

Only way that feat should be possible is if he was touching the ground for it, but even then it's a little wonky. Jack's feats aren't much better, but I just have trouble picturing how the river feat would even work.

Edit: Not trying to debunk it, mind you. I'm just not sure what to make of it.

Here's the page:

Wolverine is even shown supporting the weight with just one arm in the bottom while climbing the mountain.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That was a bit better than I remember, but not Spider-man level.

Spiderman's current strength is sufficient to merely lift that boulder (Three tons my ass, that boulder was closer to the ten ton range), Jack could jump dozens of meters with it on his back casually.

Jack lifted a 700 ton sumo off his back from an awkward position. Spiderman couldn't manage this feat.

Jack has survived orbital re-entry. Spiderman couldn't manage this feat.

And Spiderman has to struggle to catch bullets, Jack deflects machinegun fire from futuristic miniguns casually.

Also, he matches muscles with the Scotsman, who can toss sci-fi tanks with enough force to make them explode.

Jack tools Wolverine, I'm sorry.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It was at roughly this point where everyone should have stomped taking you seriously.

Spiderman's current strength is sufficient to merely lift that boulder (Three tons my ass, that boulder was closer to the ten ton range), Jack could jump dozens of meters with it on his back casually.

Jack lifted a 700 ton sumo off his back from an awkward position. Spiderman couldn't manage this feat.

Jack has survived orbital re-entry. Spiderman couldn't manage this feat.

And Spiderman has to struggle to catch bullets, Jack deflects machinegun fire from futuristic miniguns casually.

Also, he matches muscles with the Scotsman, who can toss sci-fi tanks with enough force to make them explode.

Jack tools Wolverine, I'm sorry.

10 tons? LMAO. You should change your screen name to Plastic Man if you are going to reach that far. Spider-man is class 20, with dozens of feats in the 30-50 ton range and a above.

Jack never lifted 700 ton sumo off his back, he tickled him. Awesome? And while we are gripping on weight of objects, there is no way that guy weighted any where near 700 tons. That was hyperbole if there was such a thing.

Jack survived orbital re-entry with a specialized armor. Spider-man could do the same thing if you throw him into one of Stark's suits... and that would be equally as irrelevant as the Jack example.

Spider-man struggles to catch bullets because he isn't bullet proof, it's not a limitation of his speed. If you gave him a blunt instrument or a sword, he would bat bullets away with far greater ease.

Spider-man has tossed around tanks himself, and those aren't even his best feats...

Wolverine would wreck Samurai Jack. Even if he wasn't faster, more skilled and could one shot Jack, Wolverine's healing factor and durability are more than sufficient to simply out last Jack until he passes out form exhaustion.

No, he is correct. 10 tons is a lot more accurate than your guess.

Here's a 7 to 10 ton boulder being moved away from a perch above homes;

http://www.flickr.com/photos/neilabercrombie/6187186535/

And Spiderman threw tiny tanks, and did it with nowhere near the force or distance of the Scotsmen.

That's a 3 ton rock dropped on top of a car as part of an art instillation.

http://www.blogcatalog.com/blogs/art-car-central/5

http://rosamariblanco.blogspot.ca/2012/01/ford-festiva-crushed-art-car-still-life.html

That's the actually weight of that rock, not an estimation from some random flickr dudes.

So I was right, Jack's boulder is around the 2 ton range. Why you people EVER question my rock weight guessing abilities is beyond me, I'm always correct when it comes to rock weight guessing.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Jack survived orbital re-entry with a specialized armor. Spider-man could do the same thing if you throw him into one of Stark's suits... and that would be equally as irrelevant as the Jack example.

Originally posted by Robtard
So I was right, Jack's boulder is around the 2 ton range. Why you people EVER question my rock weight guessing abilities is beyond me, I'm always correct when it comes to rock weight guessing.

You are the number one authority on rock weight in north America, arguably the world.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
The suit burned away. He survived it essentially naked. Impact and all.

First you guys try saying that Jack lifted a 700 ton sumo and now this? I'm curious, how much stuff are you Jack fans planing on lying about during the course of this thread because that is categorically untrue. The suit was destroyed in the impact of the crash, it was not burnt up during re-entry.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
First you guys try saying that Jack lifted a 700 ton sumo and now this? I'm curious, how much stuff are you Jack fans planing on lying about during the course of this thread because that is categorically untrue. The suit was destroyed in the impact of the crash, it was not burnt up during re-entry.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
I watched the episode recently. It burned away in reentry.

So have I, and no it didn't.

I only have the first season. Is that where it happened?

Originally posted by Blight
I only have the first season. Is that where it happened?

Yes, it's the fifth episode.

What Gecko is talking about is the shock layer of super heated gas that is created when anything enters that atmosphere do to changes in pressure and friction. There is no indication that his suit was burnt off prior to impact.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

That's a 3 ton rock dropped on top of a car as part of an art instillation.

http://www.blogcatalog.com/blogs/art-car-central/5

http://rosamariblanco.blogspot.ca/2012/01/ford-festiva-crushed-art-car-still-life.html

That's the actually weight of that rock, not an estimation from some random flickr dudes.

Did you actually read the link?

There's a pdf document release from Hawaii state along with the picture.
http://hawaii.gov/dlnr/chair/pio/nr/2011/NR10-291.pdf

"HONOLULU -- A seven to 10-ton boulder that was moved and secured at a safe location atop a ridge overlooking Niu Valley last weekend, will now be broken up into smaller pieces, bagged and removed by a contractor Monday Sept. 26 through Friday Sept. 30."

So no, it wasn't some random guess by guys on flickr.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Did you actually read the link?

There's a pdf document release from Hawaii state along with the picture.
http://hawaii.gov/dlnr/chair/pio/nr/2011/NR10-291.pdf

"HONOLULU -- A seven to 10-ton boulder that was moved and secured at a safe location atop a ridge overlooking Niu Valley last weekend, will now be broken up into smaller pieces, bagged and removed by a contractor Monday Sept. 26 through Friday Sept. 30."

So no, it wasn't some random guess by guys on flickr.

The link says it was a "seven to ten ton" boulder, then provides "estimated" dimensions, which goes to show it was never actually weighed or measured. We are just looking at some guess work estimations of how much the rock weighed. The rock I posted actually weighs 3 tons.

Nowhere in either of your links does it say it was weighed, I see a weight simply being stated.

My link was more detailed and matter-of-fact about the actual methodology behind the derived weight, rather than just giving a figure.

Here's a video:
http://www.zacharycoffin.com/work/rockspinner-burning-man-2001/

"Though technically the second Rockspinner, this one gets the title. Weighing somewhere in the 9 to 10 ton range, this stone is much larger than anything previously handled. To build it, we first built a large lifting rig and shipped it out to the desert, then brought in the rock, hung it and mounted it to the bearing."

As you can see in the video, its of comparable size to the boulder picture I originally posted from flickr.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Here's the page:

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Wolverine is even shown supporting the weight with just one arm in the bottom while climbing the mountain.

I see rocks in the panel, so it's not unreasonable to conclude it was relatively shallow water, or that Wolverine could support himself on said rock. If he's swimming, it's nonsense. It he's wading, it checks out better.

Still not seeing how Wolverine wins, though. Jack's just as fast, if not faster, and I'd wager more skilled than Wolverine in just as many martial arts. They've got similar super senses, with Wolverine better on smell and Jack having the better hearing. Jack is evidently much stronger, as well.

Jack can easily pull a KO, or if he really needs to he can use Wolverine's own claws against him. He's done as much before.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Nowhere in either of your links does it say it was weighed, I see a weight simply being stated.

My link was more detailed and matter-of-fact about the actual methodology behind the derived weight, rather than just giving a figure.

Here's a video:
http://www.zacharycoffin.com/work/rockspinner-burning-man-2001/

"Though technically the second Rockspinner, this one gets the title. Weighing somewhere in the 9 to 10 ton range, this stone is much larger than anything previously handled. To build it, we first built a large lifting rig and shipped it out to the desert, then brought in the rock, hung it and mounted it to the bearing."

As you can see in the video, its of comparable size to the boulder picture I originally posted from flickr.

My link just states mater-of-fact'ly that the rock weighs three tons. Your link says the rocks weigh 7 to 10 tons, or that the rock weighs 9 to 10 tons, showing that we are just looking at guess work.

Why would the artist lie about the size of the boulder? Him exaggerating would make sense, because that makes it more impressive... but you are saying he under sold the weight of the rock an order of three. That doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I see rocks in the panel, so it's not unreasonable to conclude it was relatively shallow water, or that Wolverine could support himself on said rock. If he's swimming, it's nonsense. It he's wading, it checks out better.

Still not seeing how Wolverine wins, though. Jack's just as fast, if not faster, and I'd wager more skilled than Wolverine in just as many martial arts. They've got similar super senses, with Wolverine better on smell and Jack having the better hearing. Jack is evidently much stronger, as well.

Jack can easily pull a KO, or if he really needs to he can use Wolverine's own claws against him. He's done as much before.

It's a rapids, rocks jutting up is par for the course. Wolverine is clearly swimming and dragging the piano behind him, he's doing the swimming motion with his arms and everything. It's a crazy feat.

Wolverine is both faster and more skilled than Jack, and even if he wasn't Wolverine's damage soak is so far above Jack's damage output that the idea that Jack could put him down for the a 10 count is absurd. Wolverine routinely shrugs of haymakers from Marvels strongest characters. He took a dozen blows to the face from WWH before going down. His healing factor operates on a much higher level than anything Jack could hope to achieve. Wolverine losing this fight is an impossibility.

Also Wolverine's hearing is better than Jacks. facepalm

Wolverine is pretty fast:

Here he is kicking a rocket out of the way after the button has been pressed.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3616/captang6zk5.jpg

Here he dodges automatic gunfire:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4942/76519loganuke2tj4.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3962/76525loganuke3jt3.jpg

Here he dodges automatic gunfire at near point blank
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3648/autododgedw2.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8318/autododge2ux7.jpg

One of these members shooting guns thinks he connected. Wrong:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9949/bullets8ou1.jpg

Who's saying he can't dodge gunfire?
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8499/xmenv2133p03gm1.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6867/bulletsidestepkq1.jpg

Here daredevil literally says he's dodging bullets as it's happening:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2002/ddbulletdodgekh3.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/51/ddbulletdodge2kw2.jpg

Here he's pretty fast as well:
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9586/linusiq2.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1686/bulletstop2ok2.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9029/bulletstop3fm3.jpg

Psylocke's mind can barely follow a fight between Sabretooth and Wolverine
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg

I'm really questioning why both sides say it's an epic stomp when it seems clear that it's not such a far away matchup as they think it is.