Essentially this is two fighters with similar physical attributes and skill (I'm being generous to Jack there, I feel Wolverine is blatantly superior in both speed and skill, the latter by a significant margin), but one of them has an vast and insurmountable advantage in damage soak. There is nothing Jack can do to put Wolverine down. Wolverine can kill Jack with one well placed blow.
How the outcome of this fight is obvious is baffling.
Originally posted by The ScenarioI just showed a ton of speed feats as well as SRank's even better speed feat of outrunning a bullet after it's been fired.
That makes it just as much nonsense as Jack's water drop feat, then. Physical laws simply aren't being obeyed there. With the water pushing against the piano, and Wolverine having no leverage or anything other than more water to push off of, it's just an impossibility. You can't have Wolverine pushing off water with his tiny hands at the same time the piano's acting like a sail in the wind.Jack has so far matched most of Wolverine's bullet dodges, and neither side has really posted any super skill feats. Though Jack has trained in Africa, China, Europe, Greece, and, naturally, Japan, and has mastered most forms of combat with a huge array of weapons.
Hasn't he been knocked out by weaker character's too? And if Spiderman is able to fight him, Jack can, too. There's still the matter of Jack's martial arts stabbing Wolverine with his own claws, if you really think Jack can't hurt him.
I dunno, haven't seen any feats to that effect. Jack can fight archers while blindfolded, for instance, being able to dodge a rain of arrows by their sound alone. All I've really seen for Wolverine is his sense of smell.
Originally posted by Blight
I just showed a ton of speed feats as well as SRank's even better speed feat of outrunning a bullet after it's been fired.
I know, most of the bullet dodges posted are on par with Jack's, and Jack regularly cuts, catches or otherwise deals with rockets and missiles rather casually. I'll see about videos soon.
I didn't see the outrunning feat, though. 's a good one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BXycltMZn0#t=40s
Missiles, etc. There's a bit with a shuriken launcher at one point.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine doesn't usually bother with dodging or blocking bullets because they might as well be spit balls relative to his damage soak, but he is very fast:http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5779/trancei.jpg
Orphan Maker fires his gun at Trance. As clearly shown in the panel Wolverine moves after the bullets leave the gun, and shields Trance with his body.
It looks like Wolverine is already more or less in front of Trance's body in the first place. A pivot puts him in the way of the bullets, and he probably covered her as insurance. I'm hesitant to say he moved after the gunfire, but that's only because sometimes comic paneling confuses me.
Originally posted by mastagambit
Yes,that instance.
It also proves that adamantium CANNOT cut through anything.
It's ridiculous to state it can slice through anything and is unbreakable or any other exaggeration you would like to use.
What does it's ability to cut through objects have to do with it's indestructibility? Those are two different properties.
Adamantium can't cut through characters that have true invulnerability. That's characters like classic Juggernaugt, Carver, and Kimura. Anything else is fair game, as seen when Wolverine easily impaled Gladiator.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
It looks like Wolverine is already more or less in front of Trance's body in the first place. A pivot puts him in the way of the bullets, and he probably covered her as insurance. I'm hesitant to say he moved after the gunfire, but that's only because sometimes comic paneling confuses me.
Here's how panels work. Left to right. Move down. Left to right again. Trying to say that the panel where Orphan Maker is shooting is supposed to take place after Wolverine starting moving is asinine, and probably a showcase of some confirmation bias. The layout of that page is pretty clear. Orphan Maker fires his gun at Trance. Wolverine runs to Trance, out racing the bullets, and shields her with his body.
Originally posted by mastagambit
Well I read and know about adamantium.
I read the issue and saw that her claws which are adamantium did not pierce her skin.
You know to read up and know about comics more. 😂
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What does it's ability to cut through objects have to do with it's indestructibility? Those are two different properties.Adamantium can't cut through characters that have true invulnerability. That's characters like classic Juggernaugt, Carver, and Kimura. Anything else is fair game, as seen when Wolverine easily impaled Gladiator.
I get the overall gist, it's just when certain panels seem to be over layered other panels that I get a bit confused, so I'll give you that. However, the first panel clearly shows that Logan is practically in front of Trance's body, perhaps a foot or two off from covering her from the baddies entirely. A pivot puts him in the path of the bullets, so the only reason he ran to her body is because he wanted to make sure she didn't get hit. Insurance, not necessity.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
I get the overall gist, it's just when certain panels seem to be over layered other panels that I get a bit confused, so I'll give you that. However, the first panel clearly shows that Logan is practically in front of Trance's body, perhaps a foot or two off from covering her from the baddies entirely. A pivot puts him in the path of the bullets, so the only reason he ran to her body is because he wanted to make sure she didn't get hit. Insurance, not necessity.
Whether it was necessary or not is irrelevant, because it happened all the same. The bullets were fired. He turned around and outran them to the target. The speed required to do that is the same regardless of whether or not it was necessary.
Okay, so, I think it's obvious that I haven't read much Wolverine, and that most of my experience comes from his animated appearances. I also saw one of the movies, but meh. A common thread in them is that Wolverine tends to go into berserker mode when fighting. I know he's had some training, and he knows his way around a sword, but otherwise I'm unfamiliar with his skill level and assumed him to typically be a bit...savage, I guess?
My question then is, how skilled is Wolverine, and how often does he use this skill as opposed to raging
Originally posted by The Scenario
Okay, so, I think it's obvious that I haven't read much Wolverine, and that most of my experience comes from his animated appearances. I also saw one of the movies, but meh. A common thread in them is that Wolverine tends to go into berserker mode when fighting. I know he's had some training, and he knows his way around a sword, but otherwise I'm unfamiliar with his skill level and assumed him to typically be a bit...savage, I guess?My question then is, how skilled is Wolverine, and how often does he use this skill as opposed to raging
Originally posted by The Scenario
Okay, so, I think it's obvious that I haven't read much Wolverine, and that most of my experience comes from his animated appearances. I also saw one of the movies, but meh. A common thread in them is that Wolverine tends to go into berserker mode when fighting. I know he's had some training, and he knows his way around a sword, but otherwise I'm unfamiliar with his skill level and assumed him to typically be a bit...savage, I guess?My question then is, how skilled is Wolverine, and how often does he use this skill as opposed to raging
He is one of the most skilled fighters on Marvel earth, on par with (or above according to Wolverine's own estimation) Captain America. He has beaten Shang-Chi effortlessly in a three panels. He's had Daredevil helpless in a full nelson in two panels after being ambushed. Defeated Iron Fist in an exhibition match. Successfully implemented a potentially fatal pressure point attack in a fight with Captain America. Held his own and ultimately defeated Gamora. He's even managed to briefly stalemate Stick in martial combat.
Contrary to popular (aka uneducated) belief his Berseker rage actually makes him more skilled.
