Can any non-abstract defeat the Celestials?

Originally posted by ODG
It's the truth. And you intentionally misled people into thinking only three issues had passed, like Bentley who took your word for it. I'm not copping out and saying it's speculation what happened. I'm rejecting your unproven assertion that nothing could have possibly happened in the interim between the nine months we saw him and when he finally returned.

I'm not pushing you to prove the negative. Your entire argument, however, hinges on the negative because in order for your alternative theory to hold water, absolutely nothing can happen to Magus in the nine months off-panel.

Don't play this burden of proof game with me. You demanded proof he was depowered and that his size is also reflective of his power, was shown proof multiple times, just rejected it and lied about the scans that I took the time a patience to upload and link to you. You did this on several points and several scans. After failing to gain any sort of traction, you embraced the idea that he was depowered and tried to turn the argument around on me as some sort of double-edged sword. Except you blunderingly set that up by leaving out important context and are still trying to do so.

You refused to accept the scans. You refused to accept you were wrong (until now, and even then you're still trying to backhandedly suggest you weren't). You refused to own up to your lies. You refused to battlezone me. You refused to accept a neutral mod ruling. You refuse to do anything else but what you've been doing the entire time for pages on end: lying, misleading, trolling.

You don't get to do that.

He appeared NOWHERE else except these 4 issues. NEVER was it even hinted at that he did anything but tear up that star, chase Warlock through space, then finally find him here on Earth; not by narration or character statements.

So either-
a) I'm right and he was never diminished from NM 18/19/21 up till he fought the X-Men in UXM 192 since it was never stated on panel anywhere in those four issues. There were NO other issues he appeared in or was mentioned in aside from NM 18/19/21. The very next time he's seen or heard from is UXM 192. No hint or anything else was shown or mentioned on panel that he was somehow weakened.

OR

b) You are right and he was diminished (despite the fact that this is mentioned nowhere). The ONLY things he did in NM 18/19/21 is tear that star apart and chase his son through space before landing on Earth. If you are correct and he was diminished by the time he fought Rogue/Colossus/Nightcrawler, then the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation as to why he was diminished was because he overexerted himself tearing that star apart and chasing his son through space. So much for your "casually tore a star apart" theory. And this places his best feat in the herald level range like I've been saying all along. I even gave you examples of heralds doing impressive things and your only comeback was they didn't do them "casually". Well if you are correct about Magus being diminished by the time he went up against those three X-Men, Magus didn't "casually" tear that star up or "casually" chase his son across space.

Originally posted by zopzop
So you have ZERO proof that his size affects his power output or durability right

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You KNOW he was never depowered/diminished and you are just beating around the bush.

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He was NEVER depowered by anyone and it was NEVER stated anywhere that he can only access his full power in giant form.

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Unbelievable. You can't post any proof that anything affected him and caused him to lose power from New Mutants 18 (his first appearance and the issue with his "best" feat) to when he was crushed once and for all in New Mutants 50.

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You have zero proof he was depowered on panel between his first appearance in New Mutants 18 up to his final humiliation at the hands of Prof X and the New Mutants 50. You have zero proof that it was even HINTED at that he lost power since he first appeared in New Mutants 18.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus01.jpg

Obviously, that's proof that he's depowered/diminished by the time he fights Rogue. He wasn't tearing apart suns and one-shotting planets when he wrestled with her and she's not alternatively star-tearing, planetary+ in strength! And you kept lying over and over again that I had no proof and I never showed you proof and that I was lying.

Originally posted by zopzop
You got proof on panel that his size affects his durability or power output?

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What the hell are you talking about? The only difference was his SIZE.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus08.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus01.jpg

At every stage his size shrinks, his feats and power levels and durability shrinks. And you have the gall to lie and say he only changes size? He's a Technarch in the first place who assimilates matter/energy to grow more powerful. That's the very nature of the character and you blatantly lied trying to deny it and kept lying even after I laid out all the scans for you.

Originally posted by zopzop
And what was the length of time between his initial uber showing and his depowerment.

In Magus' case it was 3 issues. Tore a star in half in NM 18, chases his son for two more issues (NM 19 and 21), then got his ass handed to him by three X-Men in UXM 192.

That's gotta be some kind of record.

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Who misled anyone, I GAVE THE ISSUE NUMBERS IN ORDER.
NM 18 first appearance and star tearing
1 month later RL TIME
NM 19 seen whizzing passed the Starjammer chasing Warlock
2 months later RL TIME
NM 21 Warlock lands on Earth but only after bouncing off Asteroid M
5 months later RL TIME
UXM 192 Magus lands on Earth and gets whooped by the X-Men

Originally posted by zopzop
It also speculated as to why the Magus went into hiding after his loss to the X-Men (IE he feared drawing attention from other powerful beings that visited the Earth like Galactus or the Watcher or Zeus or the Celestials) when this was NEVER stated on panel.

How do I know you intentionally lied about this? Because that's your OWN SCAN that you posted on page 3 of this thread! You. Are. Unbelievable. I can't believe you went this far to lowball a completely obscure character like Magus.

1. It was stated that Magus could not return to the home-world until he killed Warlock. Otherwise, his species would see him as unfit to rule.

2. It was stated that he was still lurking near earth, well after the first appearance, hoping to have other chances to kill Warlock.

3. He had never been hurt before and was shocked by the strange attacks upon him by the mutants. This included messing with his dna-encoding and the transmode virus.
He was even devolved to an "infant state."
All of this kept him very cautious, which is probably why he didn't go on a planet-devouring attack, even if he could have.
And, it was stated, that beings like the Magus grow to enormous sizes, devouring planets.

4. It could be argued that these factors could have kept him diminished and trapped, to a certain extent. Between the need to destroy Warlock, the attacks upon Magus and his inability to simply jump out and start devouring, he was not at his normal level of power.

5. .5 AU in Size- I am looking to find where this is stated, but it is already easy to assume that this is close to accurate. Since an AU is the distance from our sun to the earth, the panels depicting Magus grasping a star in his hands, make it easy to figure he may be half of an AU in size, or perhaps length.

6. It is stated that the Magus was the ruler of that entire race of Technarchs. And, there were other super-giants among them. Also, they were a heartless, murdering species. Magus would have to have been the greatest of them, in order to rule them. This adds to the argument that enormous and incredibly powerful was his normal state, for him to have survived as that ruler.

There might also be some other evidence out there, depicting Nova running into young technarchs in enormous, powerful Warmechs, just to train for fighting their fathers.

It is easy for people to see how a fully fed Galactus is a much greater threat than a starving Galactus. This seems to be a similar situation for the Magus.

Technarch "Children" in Warmechs, (training to battle their fathers)

Originally posted by ODG
I already had posted the proof that he is literally sun-sized and tearing entire suns in half and chucking them at planets whereas when he's on Earth he's man-sized and struggling to fight Rogue:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus04.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus01.jpg

Obviously, that's proof that he's depowered/diminished by the time he fights Rogue. He wasn't tearing apart suns and one-shotting planets when he wrestled with her and she's not alternatively star-tearing, planetary+ in strength! And you kept lying over and over again that I had no proof and I never showed you proof and that I was lying. I posted the proof that shows his power level changes with different sizes, such that #1 when he is star-sized he tears suns in half (already posted above), #2 when he's mountain-sized he tears apart planets at their seams and no sells Binary, #3 when he's house-sized he nearly conquers Limbo, #4 when he's man-sized he struggles with Colossus and Rogue:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Magus09.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus06.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus08.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Magus01.jpg

At every stage his size shrinks, his feats and power levels and durability shrinks. And you have the gall to lie and say he only changes size? He's a Technarch in the first place who assimilates matter/energy to grow more powerful. That's the very nature of the character and you blatantly lied trying to deny it and kept lying even after I laid out all the scans for you.

OR

b) You are right and he was diminished (despite the fact that this is mentioned nowhere). The ONLY things he did in NM 18/19/21 is tear that star apart and chase his son through space before landing on Earth. If you are correct and he was diminished by the time he fought Rogue/Colossus/Nightcrawler, then the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation as to why he was diminished was because he overexerted himself tearing that star apart and chasing his son through space. So much for your "casually tore a star apart" theory. And this places his best feat in the herald level range like I've been saying all along. I even gave you examples of heralds doing impressive things and your only comeback was they didn't do them "casually". Well if you are correct about Magus being diminished by the time he went up against those three X-Men, Magus didn't "casually" tear that star up or "casually" chase his son across space.

Notice also that he NEVER AGAIN achieved anything remotely resembling that feat or size EVER again as shown by your own scans.

Now for comparison some herald level feats :
Drax - destroys a planet in his fight with Thanos (shared feat), goes on to destroy a planet all by himself, rips a star apart.
Herald Deadpool - throws an entire star at Silver Surfer.
Thor/Dargo/BRB/Eric : shore up the multiverse with their Godblasts
Sersi - protects her teammates and herself against an attack that caused an ENTIRE UNIVERSE to blink out of existence.
Hercules : held up the heavens (unquantifiable?)
Silver Surfer : channeled the energy of the Big Crunch itself (to kill two Cosmic Gods)
Superman and Captain Marvel - held up an INFINITE weight
Ultraman - held up an INFINITE weight by himself
Gladiator - busting a planet in a few punches (since that impresses you so much)
Anti-Phoenix Necrom - hurling moons, igniting gas giants into stars, and devastating an entire solar system
Silver Surfer/Morg fight - devastated an entire solar system

And, of course, this. This was something else. It was August 1984 when we saw Magus tear apart a sun in half and it was April 1985 when we finally saw him again when he finally landed on Earth -- a period of 9 whole months of published comics. This was unbelievable. And, no, you did not provide full context at all. You didn't mention the months between comics published until I pointed it out. So don't try and act like you did before you were caught red-handed. Anybody reading your posts can see you never mentioned that nine months had passed -- only your insistence that it was only three issues later -- up until I pointed it out after you had fooled Bentley. You can't lie and rewrite history anymore than you can lie about the scans I posted. Oh, yea. Here's yet another lie I didn't expose while I was too busy with your other ones. Magus hiding in a smaller form and acting in clandestine sneaking ways because of how dangerous he perceived Earth and its forces to be WAS STATED ON-PANEL:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/whoopsk.jpg/

How do I know you intentionally lied about this? Because that's your OWN SCAN that you posted on page 3 of this thread! You. Are. Unbelievable. I can't believe you went this far to lowball a completely obscure character like Magus.

Of course he viewed Earth as dangerous, three mutants ranging from street to mid meta, just kicked his ass! Imagine if he had run into Thor or the Avengers? He'd be dead!

^ Ninja-spamming copy-pasted posts that have already been deconstructed is meaningless. You're just stretching the page to cover up all your lies. Four different sets of lies. It's all laid out.

And where do you get off trying to suggest that Magus was only referring to his defeat at the X-Men's hands while hiding? That is a blatant mischaracterization and lie. Magus knew that there were "Celestial forces and entities and the inhabitants of this world are no less formidable -- in their recent past, they have defeated Galactus!" That's not a reference to the X-Men. The X-Men are not "Celestial forces" or "celestial entities." He's not even talking about humanity or mutantkind since he starts distinguishing and starts referring to the "inhabitants of this world" afterwards. And even then, he's not talking about the X-Men but the Fantastic Four who have driven off Galactus.

It's nothing short of astonishing the pathetic depths you will lower yourself to, just to spite and lowball a completely obscure fictional comic character in a thread topic not even dedicated to him. This thread topic is not "Is zopzop justified in lying and lowballing Magus?"

1) Magus at full power is impressive.
2) You can't lowball him by using a fight where he's at his most diminished form.
3) You can't justify using that fight because you lie that he wasn't diminished in any way.
4) You can't excuse away the difference in power and size by lying that it is only his size that changes.
5) You can't reverse course, admit that he was in a diminished form, but argue that his depowerment during nine months of comic limbo where you have no idea what happens is a new reason to lowball him.
6) You can't even prove that he didn't intentionally arrive in diminished form to avoid detection from the Celestial forces and entities and heroes who defeated Abstracts, in the first place!
7) You can't salvage all your poor reasoning by blatantly lying at each and every turn.

You've got some balls to be lying to us for eight straight pages. A feat worthy of a KMC yearly award in trollery. And this is coming from someone who's dealt with trolls who have stretched out threads for a hundred pages with nothing but trolling.

This thread is ruined for me, I hope you're both happy.

^ Would it be better if I tricked him into arguing with himself for pages across two threads? Because that already happened with his whole "DP Tyrant eats Odin because he's BSE even though I already knew (and argued elsewhere) Demiurge BSE was retconned."

Say what you will, but when I previously tricked someone into arguing with himself for an entire page, I never revealed I was quoting his old posts. zopzop knew he was arguing with his old posts. And he managed to do it for pages anyway across two threads! Who even does that?! That's one level greater than a "quanchiwaffle" (supposedly theoretically impossible). It deserves its own name. That's a "zopflop."

The sad thing is, even that is better than being lied to blatantly for pages on end.

I can only think anyone doing it with external amps.

Like Superman with the Miracle Machine, Hourman with the Worlogog or Amazo at his peak copying all of there power set.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Ninja-spamming copy-pasted posts that have already been deconstructed is meaningless. You're just stretching the page to cover up all your lies. Four different sets of lies. It's all laid out.

And where do you get off trying to suggest that Magus was only referring to his defeat at the X-Men's hands while hiding? That is a blatant mischaracterization and lie. Magus knew that there were "Celestial forces and entities and the inhabitants of this world are no less formidable -- in their recent past, they have defeated [b]Galactus!" That's not a reference to the X-Men. The X-Men are not "Celestial forces" or "celestial entities." He's not even talking about humanity or mutantkind since he starts distinguishing and starts referring to the "inhabitants of this world" afterwards. And even then, he's not talking about the X-Men but the Fantastic Four who have driven off Galactus.

It's nothing short of astonishing the pathetic depths you will lower yourself to, just to spite and lowball a completely obscure fictional comic character in a thread topic not even dedicated to him. This thread topic is not "Is zopzop justified in lying and lowballing Magus?"

1) Magus at full power is impressive.
2) You can't lowball him by using a fight where he's at his most diminished form.
3) You can't justify using that fight because you lie that he wasn't diminished in any way.
4) You can't excuse away the difference in power and size by lying that it is only his size that changes.
5) You can't reverse course, admit that he was in a diminished form, but argue that his depowerment during nine months of comic limbo where you have no idea what happens is a new reason to lowball him.
6) You can't even prove that he didn't intentionally arrive in diminished form to avoid detection from the Celestial forces and entities and heroes who defeated Abstracts, in the first place!
7) You can't salvage all your poor reasoning by blatantly lying at each and every turn.

You've got some balls to be lying to us for eight straight pages. A feat worthy of a KMC yearly award in trollery. And this is coming from someone who's dealt with trolls who have stretched out threads for a hundred pages with nothing but trolling.

Either -
a) I'm right and he was never diminished from NM 18/19/21 up till he fought the X-Men in UXM 192 since it was never stated on panel anywhere in those four issues. There were NO other issues he appeared in or was mentioned in aside from NM 18/19/21. The very next time he's seen or heard from is UXM 192. No hint or anything else was shown or mentioned on panel that he was somehow weakened.

OR

b) You are right and he was diminished (despite the fact that this is mentioned nowhere). The ONLY things he did in NM 18/19/21 is tear that star apart and chase his son through space before landing on Earth. If you are correct and he was diminished by the time he fought Rogue/Colossus/Nightcrawler, then the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation as to why he was diminished was because he overexerted himself tearing that star apart and chasing his son through space. So much for your "casually tore a star apart" theory. And this places his best feat in the herald level range like I've been saying all along. I even gave you examples of heralds doing impressive things and your only comeback was they didn't do them "casually". Well if you are correct about Magus being diminished by the time he went up against those three X-Men, Magus didn't "casually" tear that star up or "casually" chase his son across space.

Notice also that he NEVER AGAIN achieved anything remotely resembling that feat or size EVER again as shown by your own scans.

This is why you result to BS arguments like "it was 9 months!" or "who knows what happened off panel, he could have been depowered by the Cosmic Court convened by the Living Tribunal" or whatever else you seem to be making up as you go along in a desperate attempt to ignore what's on panel.

Originally posted by zopzop
Can you be this desperate? He even goes on to say that the X-Men, ALL THREE OF THEM THAT HE FACED, are formidable and nearly defeated him that night! Of course he was previously referring to the inhabitants of Earth, since it was the FF that drove off Galactus. This is what I mean when I say you are losing your mind.

Originally posted by zopzop
No, what's pathetic is that you are cannot provide a single scan or panel to back up your claim and are resulting to "what if" scenarios that may or may not have occurred off panel.

Every new set of lies you try to create only further confirms how much you irrationally hate this random character. Every time you ninja-spam copy-pasted posts that have already been deconstructed confirms how little you have to offer this conversation. And you never did, flopflop. You can try harder, you can cry harder. Stop lying harder.

Originally posted by ODG
That has nothing to do with the lie you tried to pass off. You said Magus hiding and sneaking about had nothing to do with powerful entities like Galactus and nothing on-panel was stated showing so. It had everything to do with it. And you knew about it because you yourself posted the exact scan page ago where it was directly stated. You're just squirming away from your blatant lie. Own up to it.

What claim? That he was depowered when he arrived on Earth? Proven. That his size is correlated to his power level? Proven. That he didn't just depower quickly after only three issues but after nine months of publishing limbo? Proven. That Magus was wary of Celestial forces on a planet inhabited by beings that can defeat Galactus? Proven.

Every new set of lies you try to create only further confirms how much you irrationally hate this random character. Every time you ninja-spam copy-pasted posts that have already been deconstructed confirms how little you have to offer this conversation. And you never did, flopflop. You can try harder, you can cry harder. Stop lying harder.

OR

b) You are right and he was diminished (despite the fact that this is mentioned nowhere). The ONLY things he did in NM 18/19/21 is tear that star apart and chase his son through space before landing on Earth. If you are correct and he was diminished by the time he fought Rogue/Colossus/Nightcrawler, then the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation as to why he was diminished was because he overexerted himself tearing that star apart and chasing his son through space. So much for your "casually tore a star apart" theory. And this places his best feat in the herald level range like I've been saying all along. I even gave you examples of heralds doing impressive things and your only comeback was they didn't do them "casually". Well if you are correct about Magus being diminished by the time he went up against those three X-Men, Magus didn't "casually" tear that star up or "casually" chase his son across space.

Notice also that he NEVER AGAIN achieved anything remotely resembling that feat or size EVER again as shown by your own scans.

So then it's B. Thus it places his best feat squarely in the herald range.

Originally posted by zopzop
WTH are you talking about? It states CLEAR as day, he was in awe that the inhabitants of Earth have driven off beings as powerful as Galactus. Then he goes on to say they nearly defeated him and that he has to be more careful and not underestimate them again. The thing is the FF drove off Galactus using the UN, Magus was humiliated by THREE X-Men ranging in power from street to mid meta.

And copy-pasting the same exact busted false absolute for four posts in a row isn't proving away your lies. You aren't tricking anybody by repeating yourself and pretending like you have anything substantial to add.

You pitifully lowbaled when you said Magus wasn't impressive. Flatly lied when you said for pages and pages that Magus wasn't depowered. Flatly lied when you said his different sizes aren't indicative of different levels of power. Flatly lied when you told Bentley only three issues passed from his first appearance to his arrival on Earth. Flatly lied when you said nothing was stated on-panel concerning Magus' wariness of celestial forces, entities and the heroes that drove off Galactus.

You've done nothing but lowball, troll, lie and cry while copy-pasting busted arguments for eight pages. Pathetic.

Originally posted by ODG
He said the inhabitants that drove away Galactus were "no less formidable" than the Celestial forces and entities" he detected. Which means that they were all formidable. Stop lying that he was only concerned with the humans! Why would he only be worrying about the humans when the first thing he starts talking about is "Celestial forces and entities"? So you lied when you said nothing was stated on-panel concerning his wariness of powerful entities and forces.

The thing is, Galactus wasn't beaten by the FF through sheer power, they threatened him with the UN (thanks to Uatu's help). Magus was nearly beaten by THREE X-MEN ranging in power from street to mid meta! He went into hiding not because he was scared of Uatu or Galactus, he went into hiding because he got his ass handed to him by THREE X-Men and he had to be careful not to underestimate them again.

And copy-pasting the same exact busted false absolute for four posts in a row isn't proving away your lies. You aren't tricking anybody by repeating yourself and pretending like you have anything substantial to add.

You pitifully lowbaled when you said Magus wasn't impressive. Flatly lied when you said for pages and pages that Magus wasn't depowered. Flatly lied when you said his different sizes aren't indicative of different levels of power. Flatly lied when you told Bentley only three issues passed from his first appearance to his arrival on Earth. Flatly lied when you said nothing was stated on-panel concerning Magus' wariness of celestial forces, entities and the heroes that drove off Galactus.

You've done nothing but lowball, troll, lie and cry while copy-pasting busted arguments for eight pages. Pathetic.

OR

b) You are right and he was diminished (despite the fact that this is mentioned nowhere). The ONLY things he did in NM 18/19/21 is tear that star apart and chase his son through space before landing on Earth. If you are correct and he was diminished by the time he fought Rogue/Colossus/Nightcrawler, then the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation as to why he was diminished was because he overexerted himself tearing that star apart and chasing his son through space. So much for your "casually tore a star apart" theory. And this places his best feat in the herald level range like I've been saying all along. I even gave you examples of heralds doing impressive things and your only comeback was they didn't do them "casually". Well if you are correct about Magus being diminished by the time he went up against those three X-Men, Magus didn't "casually" tear that star up or "casually" chase his son across space.

Notice also that he NEVER AGAIN achieved anything remotely resembling that feat or size EVER again as shown by your own scans.

So then it's B. Thus it places his best feat squarely in the herald range.

Understand?

Yes but the fact that it's in a profile lends credence to it being true, since it makes a lot more sense than your version of events.

Ok, we all agree zopzop is wrong.

Case closed.

Originally posted by zopzop
But he WAS concerned with humanity. He even states that they were no less formidable than the entities that had visited the planet. Then he goes on to say they defeated Galactus AND admits that they nearly defeated him and he had to be more careful and not underestimate them and go incognito for a while.

Originally posted by zopzop
The thing is, Galactus wasn't beaten by the FF through sheer power, they threatened him with the UN (thanks to Uatu's help). Magus was nearly beaten by THREE X-MEN ranging in power from street to mid meta! He went into hiding not because he was scared of Uatu or Galactus, he went into hiding because he got his ass handed to him by THREE X-Men and he had to be careful not to underestimate them again.

And your crappy ninja-spam of copy-pasted busted arguments doesn't validate how you lied to Bentley about how much time passed between his appearances and how you lied to Endless Mike about Magus' wariness over the various powers on Earth in addition to its human champions.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes but the fact that it's in a profile lends credence to it being true, since it makes a lot more sense than your version of events.

That doesn't mean he wasn't concerned with the "Celestials forces and entities." Those were the powers on Earth that his sensors picked up on first. And he wasn't talking about those forces and entities' past visitations at all. He talked about their "confluence." Which is a meeting and junction point, which Earth is for many celestial forces and entities. He was talking about the powers and entities that were on Earth and how many there were at the same time. Learn English you illiterate liar.

Shut up with your lowballing. You're not covering up your blatant lie that it was never stated that Magus was wary of powerful forces and entities. He wasn't just wary of humans. You intentionally and willfully lied to Endless Mike even though you were aware of the exact scan that stated it.

And your crappy ninja-spam of copy-pasted busted arguments doesn't validate how you lied to Bentley about how much time passed between his appearances and how you lied to Endless Mike about Magus' wariness over the various powers on Earth in addition to its human champions.

Regarding the "lowballing" either :
a) I'm right and he was never diminished from NM 18/19/21 up till he fought the X-Men in UXM 192 since it was never stated on panel anywhere in those four issues. There were NO other issues he appeared in or was mentioned in aside from NM 18/19/21. The very next time he's seen or heard from is UXM 192. No hint or anything else was shown or mentioned on panel that he was somehow weakened.

OR

b) You are right and he was diminished (despite the fact that this is mentioned nowhere). The ONLY things he did in NM 18/19/21 is tear that star apart and chase his son through space before landing on Earth. If you are correct and he was diminished by the time he fought Rogue/Colossus/Nightcrawler, then the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation as to why he was diminished was because he overexerted himself tearing that star apart and chasing his son through space. So much for your "casually tore a star apart" theory. And this places his best feat in the herald level range like I've been saying all along. I even gave you examples of heralds doing impressive things and your only comeback was they didn't do them "casually". Well if you are correct about Magus being diminished by the time he went up against those three X-Men, Magus didn't "casually" tear that star up or "casually" chase his son across space.

Notice also that he NEVER AGAIN achieved anything remotely resembling that feat or size EVER again as shown by your own scans.

So then it's B. Thus it places his best feat squarely in the herald range.

Understand?

This is bad comedy

Originally posted by zopzop
He never ONCE mentioned on panel that he was in hiding because of "Celestial Forces". He went into hiding because he underestimated the X-Men and they almost beat him. Check the scan from UXM 192 for yourself and compare it to the Handbook entry.

Originally posted by zopzop
Desperate troll, he wasn't nearly beaten by Galactus or "Celestial Forces" he was beaten by humans that he underestimated. This is stated on panel. He was amazed that humanity defeated Galactus just like they almost defeated him (Magus ran).

Originally posted by zopzop
Nowhere does he say on panel that he went into hiding to avoid "Celestial Forces". The scan from UXM 192 makes it clear as day. He was nearly defeated by the X-Men because he underestimated them and now he wanted to go into hiding. It's all right there.

And you've repeatedly spammed the same busted paragraphs eight times in a row. So reported for spam now.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes but the fact that it's in a profile lends credence to it being true, since it makes a lot more sense than your version of events.

Originally posted by Mindset
Ok, we all agree zopzop is wrong.

Case closed.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
This is bad comedy

And I'm sorry for contributing to his trolling. But I'm not going to abide his rampant lying or laugh off his accusations that I'm lying and haven't proved anything.