Can any non-abstract defeat the Celestials?

Originally posted by ODG
Stop switching your lie. You said it was never stated on-panel that he was wary of the powerful forces and entities on Earth. You lied. End of story.

Truly this orb is exceptional. Never have my sensors encountered such a confluence of major forces and entities. And the inhabitants of this world are no less formidable, in their recent past they have defeated Galactus.

And tonight the X-Men came very close to doing the same to me. I must therefore be circumspect in my approach to Warlock. To disguise myself, I will assume human form.

He has allied himself with these mutants. Their strength, courage and intelligence have proven most impressive. I will not underestimate them again.

You're the only one who's desperate after being caught in no less than four different sets of lies. You also lied that he was only talking about forces and entities that had visited Earth in the past. And if you didn't lie and just misinterpreted it, then you don't know English. "Confluence" is not past visitations. Look it up in the dictionary. And again you flatly lied that nowhere was it stated that he feared and was wary of the celestial forces and entities that were on Earth and its defenders that have repelled Abstracts. You can't switch your statement now after being exposed outright on your lie.

And you've repeatedly spammed the same busted paragraphs eight times in a row. So reported for spam now.

So either
a) I'm right and he was never diminished from NM 18/19/21 up till he fought the X-Men in UXM 192 since it was never stated on panel anywhere in those four issues. There were NO other issues he appeared in or was mentioned in aside from NM 18/19/21. The very next time he's seen or heard from is UXM 192. No hint or anything else was shown or mentioned on panel that he was somehow weakened.

OR

b) You are right and he was diminished (despite the fact that this is mentioned nowhere). The ONLY things he did in NM 18/19/21 is tear that star apart and chase his son through space before landing on Earth. If you are correct and he was diminished by the time he fought Rogue/Colossus/Nightcrawler, then the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation as to why he was diminished was because he overexerted himself tearing that star apart and chasing his son through space. So much for your "casually tore a star apart" theory. And this places his best feat in the herald level range like I've been saying all along. I even gave you examples of heralds doing impressive things and your only comeback was they didn't do them "casually". Well if you are correct about Magus being diminished by the time he went up against those three X-Men, Magus didn't "casually" tear that star up or "casually" chase his son across space.

Notice also that he NEVER AGAIN achieved anything remotely resembling that feat or size EVER again as shown by your own scans.

So then it's B. Thus it places his best feat squarely in the herald range.

Understand?

Originally posted by zopzop
Genius, this is his exact quote :
http://imageshack.us/f/571/whoopsk.jpg/

He wasn't worried about the Celestial Forces. He was worried about the X-Men. The quote makes it clear as day.

Truly this orb is exceptional. Never have my sensors encountered such a confluence of major forces and entities. And the inhabitants of this world are no less formidable, in their recent past they have defeated Galactus.

Nothing's stated on-panel that he's wary and afraid of the powers/entities on Earth, in addition to their champions that have repelled Abstracts? Bald-faced lie.

Originally posted by zopzop
You made the claim that he was depowered when he fought the X-Men (despite the fact that it was never mentioned on panel). You didn't back it up with anything.

Not only that, you're copy-pasting the same exact few paragraphs that were deconstructed pages ago nine times in a row now. That's rampant spamming. Stop it. Your petulant spamming is NOT covering up the four sets of lies you tried to get past us. You lied to me twice and tried to mislead me. You lied to Bentley and tried to mislead him. You lied to Endless Mike and tried to mislead him as well.

Spamming is not remedying that.

Originally posted by ODG
Good job trying to unbold out the exact quote and downplay exactly what proves you wrong. You said there was nothign stated on-panel that he was wary or feared the powerful forces and entities on Earth. That is false because he stated on-panel himself:

Truly this orb is exceptional. Never have my sensors encountered such a confluence of major forces and entities. And the inhabitants of this world are no less formidable, in their recent past they have defeated Galactus.

And the inhabitants of this world are no less formidable, in their recent past they have defeated Galactus.

And tonight the X-Men came very close to doing the same to me. I must therefore be circumspect in my approach to Warlock. To disguise myself, I will assume human form.

He has allied himself with these mutants. Their strength, courage and intelligence have proven most impressive. I will not underestimate them again.

What the hell are you talking about?! YOU'VE ALREADY CONCEDED HE WAS DEPOWERED/DIMINISHED.

Not only that, you're copy-pasting the same exact few paragraphs that were deconstructed pages ago nine times in a row now. That's rampant spamming. Stop it. Your petulant spamming is NOT covering up the four sets of lies you tried to get past us. You lied to me twice and tried to mislead me. You lied to Bentley and tried to mislead him. You lied to Endless Mike and tried to mislead him as well.

Spamming is not remedying that.

b) You are right and he was diminished (despite the fact that this is mentioned nowhere). The ONLY things he did in NM 18/19/21 is tear that star apart and chase his son through space before landing on Earth. If you are correct and he was diminished by the time he fought Rogue/Colossus/Nightcrawler, then the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation as to why he was diminished was because he overexerted himself tearing that star apart and chasing his son through space. So much for your "casually tore a star apart" theory. And this places his best feat in the herald level range like I've been saying all along. I even gave you examples of heralds doing impressive things and your only comeback was they didn't do them "casually". Well if you are correct about Magus being diminished by the time he went up against those three X-Men, Magus didn't "casually" tear that star up or "casually" chase his son across space.

Notice also that he NEVER AGAIN achieved anything remotely resembling that feat or size EVER again as shown by your own scans.

So then it's B. Thus it places his best feat squarely in the herald range.

Understand?

Originally posted by zopzop
Way to leave out WHY HE WENT INTO HIDING :

He didn't go into hiding because he feared Uatu, he went into hiding because he got his ass kicked by the X-Men.

You can't twist this debacle around on me and pretend that I was the one lying all the time. It was your bullsh1t lie to Endless Mike. Go ahead and blow up your cherry-picked quotes. I'm not the one that denied anything like that was ever said. You were the one who lied that nothing like the other piece you tried to cover up was never said. You. Not me. And I'm the one that called you out on it and we all see it, including Endless Mike, who was the poster you tried to lie to.

Originally posted by zopzop
Even if I 'conceded' it still doesn't save you?

Your false alternatives don't matter because you haven't proven that absolutely nothing happened to Magus in the nine intervening months between his first two appearances or that Magus didn't purposefully power down to avoid detection from the powers and entities he detected on Earth. You tried to lie to Bentley and say that only three issues passed by so the former couldn't be true. You tried to lie to Endless Mike and say Magus never was wary of the powerful forces and entities on Earth so the later couldn't be true. So you're sh1tty ace card that you thought you pulled with this garbage false dispositive has no basis and, in fact, was built entirely on lies.

BUT YOU KNEW THAT BECAUSE I DECONSTRUCTED IT PAGES AGO. And all you can do is spam it repeatedly, copy-pasting it over and over again for ten posts in a row. You've posted those same idiotic paragraphs two dozen times now throughout the thread without responding at all to how they fall apart because you've no proof for your baseless assumptions that it entirely hinges upon.

And spamming it two dozen times doesn't get you a pass on how you repeatedly lied to me and others in this thread.

Originally posted by ODG
I am not leaving out anything. It was you who lied and left out that he was wary and feared the "Celestial forces and entities" and champions that "defeated Galactus."

You can't twist this debacle around on me and pretend that I was the one lying all the time. It was your bullsh1t lie to Endless Mike. Go ahead and blow up your cherry-picked quotes. I'm not the one that denied anything like that was ever said. You were the one who lied that nothing like the other piece you tried to cover up was never said. You. Not me. And I'm the one that called you out on it and we all see it, including Endless Mike, who was the poster you tried to lie to.

Truly this orb is exceptional. Never have my sensors encountered such a confluence of major forces and entities. And the inhabitants of this world are no less formidable, in their recent past they have defeated Galactus.

And tonight the X-Men came very close to doing the same to me. I must therefore be circumspect in my approach to Warlock. To disguise myself, I will assume human form.

He has allied himself with these mutants. Their strength, courage and intelligence have proven most impressive. I will not underestimate them again.

You conceded and yet you're still lying in just the last post that I never proved anything? Go kill yourself, flopflop. You have absolutely no credibility here when you admit you're wrong and try to backhandedly justify you were never wrong.

Your false alternatives don't matter because you haven't proven that absolutely nothing happened to Magus in the nine intervening months between his first two appearances or that Magus didn't purposefully power down to avoid detection from the powers and entities he detected on Earth. You tried to lie to Bentley and say that only three issues passed by so the former couldn't be true. You tried to lie to Endless Mike and say Magus never was wary of the powerful forces and entities on Earth so the later couldn't be true. So you're sh1tty ace card that you thought you pulled with this garbage false dispositive has no basis and, in fact, was built entirely on lies.

BUT YOU KNEW THAT BECAUSE I DECONSTRUCTED IT PAGES AGO. And all you can do is spam it repeatedly, copy-pasting it over and over again for ten posts in a row. You've posted those same idiotic paragraphs two dozen times now throughout the thread without responding at all to how they fall apart because you've no proof for your baseless assumptions that it entirely hinges upon.

And spamming it two dozen times doesn't get you a pass on how you repeatedly lied to me and others in this thread.

Again :
b) You are right and he was diminished (despite the fact that this is mentioned nowhere). The ONLY things he did in NM 18/19/21 is tear that star apart and chase his son through space before landing on Earth. If you are correct and he was diminished by the time he fought Rogue/Colossus/Nightcrawler, then the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation as to why he was diminished was because he overexerted himself tearing that star apart and chasing his son through space. So much for your "casually tore a star apart" theory. And this places his best feat in the herald level range like I've been saying all along. I even gave you examples of heralds doing impressive things and your only comeback was they didn't do them "casually". Well if you are correct about Magus being diminished by the time he went up against those three X-Men, Magus didn't "casually" tear that star up or "casually" chase his son across space.

Notice also that he NEVER AGAIN achieved anything remotely resembling that feat or size EVER again as shown by your own scans.

So then it's B. Thus it places his best feat squarely in the herald range.

Understand?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes but the fact that it's in a profile lends credence to it being true, since it makes a lot more sense than your version of events.

Originally posted by Horrificus
This is true.
Stats have to come from somewhere. And precise stats don't always come from feats alone. When they are presented to the readers, they can't be ignored, regardless of opinions based on cherry-picked showings.

Originally posted by zopzop

Originally posted by zopzop
Never ONCE was it stated on panel that he feared the Celestial Forces. He feared the HUMANS that handed him his ass and he said he had to be more CIRCUMSPECT in his approach to hunting/killing Warlock as a result of it.

And you lied that nothing supported that on-panel. You even went so far as to misinterpret what Magus said as if he were only talking about cosmic forces that had visited Earth in the past, except "confluence" doesn't mean that at all. He was talking about the present gathering of those powers/entities. Anybody would be wary of them, including champions capable of defeating Abstracts.

He's not saying that for nothing. And the portent of his comments disproves your surreptitious lie to Endless Mike.

Originally posted by zopzop
You deconstructed nothing. Making up just so stories about what COULD have happened off panel isn't proof of anything.

Your copy-pasted spam of phail paragraphs were completely dependent on #1 nothing happening to Magus between his two appearances. Something you tried to support by lying to Bentley and others that just three issues passed. It was nine months of publishing limbo and Magus trailed Warlock by months despite having been hot on his tail previously. Fact. Your garbage is also completely dependent on #2 Magus not willingly choosing to approach Earth in a diminished, less detectable form. Something you tried to support by lying to Endless Mike that Magus never said anything about being wary or fearful of Earth's powerful entities/champions. But he was aware and he was wary. Fact.

So now you've spammed the same two paragraphs admitting you were wrong that he was depowered and tried to build a double-edged sword that was dependent on two lies that were exposed. You have no proof that nothing happened to Magus in nine months of comic limbo. You have no proof Magus wasn't sneaking around carefully in a highly diminished form on purpose when he first arrived. In fact, the positive proof completely tends against your assumptions.

You just can't deal with the fact that you were utterly destroyed and cornered into admitting you were wrong about Magus being depowered in the first place. The lies didn't help cover that. The lies didn't establish any sort of pretense to criticize my other stances. And your spam remains a limp, impotent exercise in futility. You're not even a troll anymore. You're just a faint echo of a troll.

ODG, don't bother wasting any more time with him. We all know you're right.

Originally posted by ODG
Why would he mention those "Celestial forces and entities" if he wasn't wary of them in the first place? Why would he not be afraid of equally formidable champions that have defeated Galactus? Magus is not above threats to Galactus, you liar. For someone who routinely demands that statements be made, you are completely ignoring a statement that absolutely confirms his wariness and fear of exactly the types of entities that were mentioned in the handbook.

And you lied that nothing supported that on-panel. You even went so far as to misinterpret what Magus said as if he were only talking about cosmic forces that had visited Earth in the past, except "confluence" doesn't mean that at all. He was talking about the present gathering of those powers/entities. Anybody would be wary of them, including champions capable of defeating Abstracts.

He's not saying that for nothing. And the portent of his comments disproves your surreptitious lie to Endless Mike.

On panel he CLEARLY said stated that the reason he went into hiding was the X-Men! Not any cosmic force. It's right there in black and white.

I dont give a sh1t what you think I haven't proven. You've continually demonstrated for nearly a dozen pages that you will ignore scans, you will lie about scans, you will lie about handbooks, and you will lie about the length of time passing by between comics.

Your copy-pasted spam of phail paragraphs were completely dependent on #1 nothing happening to Magus between his two appearances. Something you tried to support by lying to Bentley and others was just three issues. It was nine months of publishing limbo. Fact. Your garbage is also completely dependent on #2 Magus not willingly choosing to approach Earth in a diminished, less detectable form. Something you tried to support by lying to Endless Mike that Magus never said anything about being wary or fearful of Earth's powerful entities/champions. But he was aware and he was wary. Fact.

So now you've spammed the same two paragraphs admitting you were wrong that he was depowered and tried to build a double-edged sword that was dependent on two lies that were exposed. You have no proof that nothing happened to Magus in nine months of comic limbo. You have no proof Magus wasn't sneaking around carefully in a highly diminished form on purpose when he first arrived. In fact, the positive proof completely tends against your assumptions.

You just can't deal with the fact that you were utterly destroyed and cornered into admitting you were wrong about Magus being depowered in the first place. The lies didn't help cover that. The lies didn't establish any sort of pretense to criticize my other stances. And your spam remains a limp, impotent exercise in futility. You're not even a troll anymore. You're just a faint echo of a troll.

Notice also that he NEVER AGAIN achieved anything remotely resembling that feat or size EVER again as shown by your own scans.

So then it's B. Thus it places his best feat squarely in the herald range.

Understand?

Zopzop, stop copying and pasting the same post. It's spam.

The other posters in this debate need to stop trolling.

Move on, take the debate to a BZ or in PMs.

^ He already refused a battlezone and a neutral mod ruling. And I didn't make those suggestions lightly or in passing. I wanted in all honest sincerity for this garbage to be shut down and I wanted to stop feeding him.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
ODG, don't bother wasting any more time with him. We all know you're right.

Scans speak the unfettered truth. My hands are wiped clean. I proved my points and I didn't lie about anything.

Originally posted by Badabing
Zopzop, stop copying and pasting the same post. It's spam.

The other posters in this debate need to stop trolling.

Move on, take the debate to a BZ or in PMs.

Originally posted by ODG
^ He already refused a battlezone and a neutral mod ruling. And I didn't make those suggestions lightly or in passing. I wanted in all honest sincerity for this garbage to be shut down and I wanted to stop feeding him. That's several times I've been told to not bother. And you know what? You're all right. I'm just feeding this troll. And if I wasn't so keen on exposing his initial trollish lowballing, there would have been no extended embarrassing conversation compelling him to save face by blatantly lying.

Scans speak the unfettered truth. My hands are wiped clean. I proved my points and I didn't lie about anything.

And so, with a hearty "Pretty Please STFU!", once again peace settles across this small forum town, as Badabing rides into the sunset.
😉

Moving on... Did Stellaris the Celestial Slayer, ever actually SLAY a Celestial?

Anybody know?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Moving on... Did Stellaris the Celestial Slayer, ever actually SLAY a Celestial?

Anybody know?

Edit : IIRC, Terminus was also created with a similar purpose in mind . Like the Destroyer and Stellaris . Although unlike the Destroyer, neither of these ever went up against Celestials, and both have feats that would barely put them at herald-level .

I like to imagine Bada's voice is that of a raptor when he says pretty please STFU.

Originally posted by Bentley
I like to imagine Bada's voice is that of a raptor when he says pretty please STFU.

Raptors were supposedly bird like...

So I imagine bada sounds like big bird.

A bird with an italian accent...