Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
Grievous wins. I think he is better than either of the brothers.
I can see your not a big fan of the Maul brothers but there's no need to be overly biased.
Opress crushes Grievous with the Force. I'm not even convinced he would lose a Saber only fight. Although his lack of skill may find difficulty with 4 swinging lightsabers.
Maul would destroy Grievous in both Sabers and in the Force.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I can see your not a big fan of the Maul brothers but there's no need to be overly biased.Opress crushes Grievous with the Force. I'm not even convinced he would lose a Saber only fight. Although his lack of skill may find difficulty with 4 swinging lightsabers.
Maul would destroy Grievous in both Sabers and in the Force.
It's also a my opinion.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Grievous is stronger than Oppress imo.
Dude Grievous was driven back by Fisto! Even Adi Gallia briefly held him at bay, and we saw how much stronger Opress was to her!
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And Grievous in canon has been able to dodge force pushes/ outright tank them.
Let's see him try and dodge this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkn3UBL51g
@0:56!
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dude Grievous was driven back by Fisto! Even Adi Gallia briefly held him at bay, and we saw how much stronger Opress was to her!
I think that Fisto would dominate Savage. And while it may not be canon anymore, you forget who annihilated Gallia the first time she died.
Let's see him try and dodge this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkn3UBL51g
@0:56! [/B]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64-3talVkUA
He can just tank it 3:43
Well, Savage is not as powerful as Maul is, and besides, Grievous has killed many Jedi, all of which were force-sensitive (obviously). I still think too many people underestimate Grievous because the show portrays him in a weak light. If you read the novels, Grievous has been a serious match for even the toughest of Jedi. In LoE, even Windu was hard-pressed against Grievous!
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I think that Fisto would dominate Savage.
Your kidding right?
Based on what exactly? Savage is destroying Council members like Adi Gallia. Him and Ventress together were challenging Count Dooku.
He himself battered Ventress, who Fisto can't take, can't even match.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And while it may not be canon anymore, you forget who annihilated Gallia the first time she died.
Like you said it's not canon anymore. And even in that original non-canon version he took her by surprise with a 3rd hand and snapped her neck with it.
Somehow I don't see that working on Savage. It's more likely he would snap Grievous.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64-3talVkUA
He can just tank it 3:43
That wasn't a force attack. It was a sonic blast.
Grievous can't tank Kenobi's force attacks which means Opress would completely crush him with the Force.
Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
and besides, Grievous has killed many Jedi, all of which were force-sensitive (obviously).
So has Opress. But grievous goes down to Ventress who Opress battered. Grievous has also lost to 2 different Council members now. Kit Fisto and Eeth Koth. The latter fought him with a wounded arm.
Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
I still think too many people underestimate Grievous because the show portrays him in a weak light. If you read the novels, Grievous has been a serious match for even the toughest of Jedi. In LoE, even Windu was hard-pressed against Grievous!
Yeah and Savage is a total beast in the show. None of Grievous's high end feats compares to putting down 3 Destroyer droids plus a dozen battle droids or temporarily flooring Count Dooku.
And Mace fought him while using the Force to keep himself stationery. Otherwise we saw him in Obsession and in the CW mini EASILY destroying Grievous with the Force. Just as Opress would.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That wasn't a force attack. It was a sonic blast.Grievous can't tank Kenobi's force attacks which means Opress would completely crush him with the Force.
It was Force Scream, and obviously had an element of force to it since it blew away Grievous' troops and was ripping up the floor plating.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It was Force Scream, and obviously had an element of force to it since it blew away Grievous' troops and was ripping up the floor plating.
It wasn't a "Force" scream. They explained it to Palaptine that it was something his species does.
And having force behind it does not equate to using "The Force."
End of the day Kenobi can send Grievous flying and disarm him with a force push. So he's defo not tanking Opress's force attacks.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It wasn't a "Force" scream. They explained it to Palaptine that it was something his species does.And having force behind it does not equate to using "The Force."
Its something the Ithorians can do, but not to that degree. Only when amping with the Force does it reach that degree. The proper name for it is Force Bellow.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Your kidding right?Based on what exactly? Savage is destroying Council members like Adi Gallia. Him and Ventress together were challenging Count Dooku.
What's your point? Him and Maul together were challenging Kenobi too, and yet he still ended up with one arm and a broken leg.
And did you forget that Grievous fought Ki-Adi Mundi and Shaak Ti simultaneously.
That is>>Any of Savage's feats.
He himself battered Ventress, who Fisto can't take, can't even match.
As of Cetus Deception, which takes place in 22 BBY. Ventress that early in the Clone Wars got stomped by 2 saber General Grievous with Durge as back up. Fisto whooped on 3 saber Grievous. Jar'Kai Fisto can match Ventress. Shi-Cho's weakness is against multiple foes which is why opponents like Ventress and Grievous tax his defenses, however by adding an additional saber into the mix he can minimize the form's weakeness.
It's rather clear that Kit Fisto is a far better swordsman than you give him credit.
Like you said it's not canon anymore. And even in that original non-canon version he took her by surprise with a 3rd hand and snapped her neck with it.
Somehow I don't see that working on Savage. It's more likely he would snap Grievous.
That wasn't a force attack. It was a sonic blast.
Grievous can't tank Kenobi's force attacks which means Opress would completely crush him with the Force.
Kenobi is way faster than Opress. So no, I believe Grievous can soundly react to Opress.
So has Opress. But grievous goes down to Ventress who Opress battered. Grievous has also lost to 2 different Council members now. Kit Fisto and Eeth Koth. The latter fought him with a wounded arm.
Why is this being viewed as a downgrade to Grievous and not an upgrade to Eeth Koth and Fisto.
Plo Koon fought off Ventress with a wounded arm, does that suddenly mean Ventress is<<<<<Opress.
All Council members are not cut from the same pie.
Agen Kolar for example, cannot compare to Shaak Ti.
Yeah and Savage is a total beast in the show. None of Grievous's high end feats compares to putting down 3 Destroyer droids plus a dozen battle droids or temporarily flooring Count Dooku.
You grossly underestimate Grievous' high end feats.
He managed to dominate/outduel 5 Jedi, he has to date the highest number of Jedi kills. He has consistently matched Jedi Council members, being able to disarm Shaak Ti twice.
And Mace fought him while using the Force to keep himself stationery. Otherwise we saw him in Obsession and in the CW mini EASILY destroying Grievous with the Force. Just as Opress would.
And yet Mace had trouble with Grievous in raw sabers. And Mace Windu is the second most powerful Jedi Master of his age. He is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Savage Opress.