Darth Traya (Peak power) vs Darth Sidious (RotS)

Darth _Sadow1 Dark Lord of the Sith

Darth Traya (Peak power) vs Darth Sidious (Revenge of the Sith)

Location: Trayus Core (Final battle of KotOR II)

Sabers
Force
All out

Who wins the duel of manipulators?

Darth _Sadow1 Dark Lord of the Sith

I honestly think Sidious would win this, But others may disagree. Traya can use any power in this fight that she used against you in KotORII (Ie, lightning, death field, plague, wave, the floating sabers, etc)

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Sidious probably blitzes her.

Darth _Sadow1 Dark Lord of the Sith

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sidious probably blitzes her.

Hey! Thanks for being the first to post on my first thread! and I agree also.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

You're welcome. Traya does have a chance imo. All she needs to do is raise her hand to use her special drain, which has no proven defence. But the Trayus Core probably isn't big enough for there to be room enough for her to do that.

Darth _Sadow1 Dark Lord of the Sith

Originally posted by Nephthys
You're welcome. Traya does have a chance imo. All she needs to do is raise her hand to use her special drain, which has no proven defence. But the Trayus Core probably isn't big enough for there to be room enough for her to do that.

And I'm sure Sidious would also be boosted from the Dark Side energies of Malachor V. That is why I picked that location.

Mizukage Yoda Lord of Winterfell

Originally posted by Nephthys
You're welcome. Traya does have a chance imo. All she needs to do is raise her hand to use her special drain, which has no proven defence. But the Trayus Core probably isn't big enough for there to be room enough for her to do that.

I doubt that Sidious would fall victim to that technique. It seems odd that a weaker individual would be able to Force Drain a Sith Master vastly superior to her in command of the force.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

There's only one possible defense against the technique and theres no way to prove that Sidious knows it or that it would work against Trayas technique.

Mizukage Yoda Lord of Winterfell

Originally posted by Nephthys
There's only one possible defense against the technique and theres no way to prove that Sidious knows it or that it would work against Trayas technique.

Darth _Sadow1 Dark Lord of the Sith

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Sidious is not like the Exile, upon which Drain like Nihilus's or Traya's would be ineffective. However, Since he has access to the Sith Holocrons, he surely knows how to defend against a legendary Sith feat like this one.

Mizukage Yoda Lord of Winterfell

Darth Traya matches need to be banned. They always just divulge in a Force drain debate. Hell, the last thread she was in divulged into it even though the technique was banned.

Darth _Sadow1 Dark Lord of the Sith

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Darth Traya matches need to be banned. They always just divulge in a Force drain debate. Hell, the last thread she was in divulged into it even though the technique was banned.

I made this thread because they are both master manipulators, I did not think the "Force Drain" thing through...

Mizukage Yoda Lord of Winterfell

Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
I made this thread because they are both master manipulators, I did not think the "Force Drain" thing through...

I know, not your fault. It just always happens.

NemeBro Senior Member

Does Traya actually know the same power Nihilus does?

She taught Nihilus how to utilise his unique ability, but she doesn't actually need to know it to do that, technically.

Was what she did to the three Jedi Masters confirmed to be the same thing? I forget.

If anything else, she certainly isn't as potent in her useage of the technique as Darth Nihilus is.

Darth _Sadow1 Dark Lord of the Sith

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I know, not your fault. It just always happens.

I will not use Nihilus, Traya, or Sion, Nihilus and Traya become a drain match and Sion becomes an immortality argument (if the setting is on a sith world)

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by NemeBro
Does Traya actually know the same power Nihilus does?
She taught Nihilus how to utilise his unique ability, but she doesn't actually need to know it to do that, technically.
Was what she did to the three Jedi Masters confirmed to be the same thing? I forget.
If anything else, she certainly isn't as potent in her useage of the technique as Darth Nihilus is.

Its the same technique. Unless theres another technique that drains the target of the Force completely (which is how she describes Nihilus' tech.)

If the average Sith Assassins running around can do the technique (very weakly) then I don't see why its hard to believe that Kreia could as well.

Darth _Sadow1 Dark Lord of the Sith

Originally posted by NemeBro
Does Traya actually know the same power Nihilus does?
She taught Nihilus how to utilise his unique ability, but she doesn't actually need to know it to do that, technically.
Was what she did to the three Jedi Masters confirmed to be the same thing? I forget.
If anything else, she certainly isn't as potent in her useage of the technique as Darth Nihilus is.

Well no because he specializes in the Drain technique. She did teach him the basics of it though. And what she did to the three Jedi Maters was Drain Life. it is unknown what it looks like when Nihilus uses it becuase all we have seen is the effects of it, not it actually being used (unless you think the deleted scene of him vs Sion is what it looks like)

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by Nephthys

Its the same technique. Unless theres another technique that drains the target of the Force completely (which is how she describes Nihilus' tech.)
If the average Sith Assassins running around can do the technique (very weakly) then I don't see why its hard to believe that Kreia could as well.

That is all well and good, but is it really impossible to defend against then? IIRC that designation was only ever applied to Nihilus's unique useage of it.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Kreia says that 'there are some techniques against which there are no defense,' clearly referring to the technique in its entirety, not just Nihilus using it. Besides which, his use of the technique is unique only in terms of scale, its not a separate technique in its own right.

NemeBro Senior Member

Considering how the Exile can only use it after killing someone, and how the Sith Assassins can only empower themselves with your strength rather than rip it out totally, I'd say Nihilus's mastery of the technique is so great that it is more than a mere difference of being able to do it to worlds.

Nihilus could eat others even before receiving any training, it is intrinsic to his very being.

That said, IIRC Kreia is also a Force Wound (Which I forgot), so yeah, I guess she'd have it too to an extent, or at least the potential for it.

Also, remind me, when did she say that quote?

Who wins?