Darth Traya (Peak power) vs Darth Sidious (RotS)

I'm almost certain Kreia is not a force wound. If she was she would have no need for the Exile or Nihilus.

Edit: She says that when she talks about when Sion and Nihilus betray her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aROhCH-tTiA

Originally posted by NemeBro
Considering how the Exile can only use it after killing someone, and how the Sith Assassins can only empower themselves with your strength rather than rip it out totally, I'd say Nihilus's mastery of the technique is so great that it is more than a mere difference of being able to do it to worlds.

Nihilus could eat others even before receiving any training, it is intrinsic to his very being.

That said, IIRC Kreia is also a Force Wound (Which I forgot), so yeah, I guess she'd have it too to an extent, or at least the potential for it.

Also, remind me, when did she say that quote?

During her flashback to Nihilus and Sion betraying her.

You mean when Nihilus severed her from the Force?

And huh, Kreia isn't a Wound. Weird. She can't have Nihilus's power then, only a bastardized version of it.

IIRC actually, what she did was connect them to the Exile, show them the Force through her eyes, and the Exile sort of isn't present in this thread.

Yes.

She was cut off from the Force, if that counts. Either way, she clearly uses the technique on the Council.

No, since if you examine the bodies of the Council it says that they've been drained of life and become absences in the Force.

Nah, Traya confirms before you fight her if you question her that she simply showed them the Force through the Exile's eyes.

Not applicable in a forum fight.

Bullshit.

If she says that then what she meant was obviously that she showed them life without the Force. By cutting them off from it:

Her power is great, no doubt. That is why I made this thread. She was the leader of the Triumverite! The immortal Sion and the Wound Nihilus one took orders from her. As she said "I once held the galaxy by the throat"

Originally posted by NemeBro
Considering how the Exile can only use it after killing someone, and how the Sith Assassins can only empower themselves with your strength rather than rip it out totally, I'd say Nihilus's mastery of the technique is so great that it is more than a mere difference of being able to do it to worlds.

Nihilus could eat others even before receiving any training, it is intrinsic to his very being.

That said, IIRC Kreia is also a Force Wound (Which I forgot), so yeah, I guess she'd have it too to an extent, or at least the potential for it.

Also, remind me, when did she say that quote?

Tell me this Neph when has Traya drained a Dark Side Master more powerful than her?

She hasn't.

Originally posted by Nephthys
She hasn't.

No proof it'd even work versus Sidious.

Why do you think I need to prove that it would work on him? If you don't think it would, I'd be interested in hearing your reasons. But at the moment theres nothing contradicting the suggestion that theres no defense for the technique. Well, none that Sidious knows.

By the way, the Sith Assassins do use it on those more powerful than them.

The Sith Assassins leech off of those more powerful than they are, they can't just kill people with their power. Citing them actually hurts your argument.

Kreia clearly doesn't have the same power as Nihilus, she lacks the fundamentals (Being a Wound), and your screenshots only support what I have said.

'As much as one may use the Force to bolster the wills and strengths of others, the reverse is possible, though not often used. Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely.'

The effects of her attack match her description of Nihilus' technique. Furthermore, I don't believe its ever said that you need to be a Wound to use the technique. What she says on the subject is that:

'It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand.'

Kreia has experienced it first hand, by having it used on her and by spending prolonged time on Malachor V, the 'crucible' that was used to teach others the technique and what caused the Exile and Nihilus to learn it. Theres no reason why she shouldn't be able to use it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why do you think I need to prove that it would work on him? If you don't think it would, I'd be interested in hearing your reasons. But at the moment theres nothing contradicting the suggestion that theres no defense for the technique. Well, none that Sidious knows.

By the way, the Sith Assassins do use it on those more powerful than them.

No limits fallacy. Do you think Kreia could force drain Galactus?

If he was connected to the Force, yes. That doesn't mean it would kill him though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If he was connected to the Force, yes. That doesn't mean it would kill him though.

Jesus Christ dude.

What do you mean? Its not like Galactus is a Force Master, lol.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No proof it'd even work versus Sidious.

No proof he can block it either. DE, you're wasting your time. For once, you look like Einstein here.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What do you mean? Its not like Galactus is a Force Master, lol.

He's omnipotent.

Originally posted by jdoe310
No proof he can block it either. DE, you're wasting your time. For once, you look like Einstein here.