Darth Traya (Peak power) vs Darth Sidious (RotS)

Originally posted by The_Tempest
indeed

Well, got the opportunity to flip through the newly-released The Old Republic Encyclopedia. My initial impression is that it's one of the finest reference works ever released under the Star Wars brand name; some 400 pages long and brimming with both text and images.

Some tidbits that some of you may find interesting:
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[*]Of KotOR 2's Sith triumvirate, Kreia and Sion each receive one mention in the book, with Nihilus supreme at a total of 3
[*]The Sith Empire is said to field "millions" of troops across "thousands" of planets
[*]The Republic Navy is said to consist of "hundreds" of fleets
[*]The fate of both Revan and Vitiate

Spoiler:
is left ambiguous

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With respect to Vitiate, he is frequently described as "supremely powerful" (an appellation he shares with [Thanaton?]), "godlike", and an "avatar" of the dark side, not to mention "brilliant", "genius", "mastermind", etc. Page 148 explicitly refers to him as "history's most powerful dark side master." The book also claims it took a "fraction" of his powers to corrupt Revan and Malak "in mere moments."

Further details on his ritual are available: 8,000 Sith Lords gathered on Medriaas/Nathema to participate the ritual, which lasted ten days. Vitiate "orchestrated the sorcery" and the planet was "consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see." The Emperor's Voice is said to "wield[s] the Emperor's incredible power and is capable of striking down anyone who displeases him."

Enjoy.

Well, the answer to that is, we just ignore it lol

I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

I'm cool with all the wanking if we'd actually see evidence of it.

Spoiler:
The same applies to Abeloth.

Originally posted by jdoe310
[B]If the character said it was unblockable, then drained 3 council members, you have to prove there's a defense for it. Since you can't, you lose.

Kreia is the only person who even mentioned this technique. Come back when you hit puberty.

That's my point. No sourcebook has ever said it's unblockable. That's a pretty huge point to leave out.

As with mostall things, I'm sure there are limitations/defenses to the technique. The Dark Reaper defense is the most likely candidate.

Its certainly possible, yes maybe even likely. Only a handful know that defense though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its certainly possible, yes maybe even likely. Only a handful know that defense though.

I'm not suggesting that Sidious knows it (though he certainly knows of it), I'm simply trying to reconcile what appears to be a blatant use of the no limits fallacy.

Traya vs Sidious? Unblockable drain? People, you can't be serious...

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm not suggesting that Sidious knows it (though he certainly knows of it), I'm simply trying to reconcile what appears to be a blatant use of the no limits fallacy.

Thank the Lord someone gets it.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Thank the Lord someone gets it.

You need not thank me, loyal servant, this is simply what I do.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm not suggesting that Sidious knows it (though he certainly knows of it), I'm simply trying to reconcile what appears to be a blatant use of the no limits fallacy.

I've never said that no defense is possible. Just that there is no known defense. We can speculate about a possible defense all we want, but there is no proven one. The technique is unconventional, it stands to reason that conventional Force defenses wouldn't affect it. As for an unconventional defense? The Dark Reaper case is the only possibility that I'm aware of.

And that isn't even a defense.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You need not thank me, loyal servant, this is simply what I do.

Silence worm or do I have to get the gag and rope again?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Character statements that say things like 'unblockable', 'unbeatable', 'most powerful', can be taken with a grain of salt, especially if its a lying character.

That's my point. No sourcebook has ever said it's unblockable. That's a pretty huge point to leave out. [/B]

[QUOTE=14056170]Originally posted by jdoe310
[B]Yet when said character says something and then proves it against 3 members of the council, the burden of proof is shifted to you.
But the question is, is that the SAME move that Nihilus can use, or is it just her using Drain Life on three council members.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I haven't posted on ComicVine in a while and I think Silver is semi-retired. But drawing upon my immense and intimate comprehension of my fellow man, I assure you he'd probably just interpret it the same way that queer NemeBro did.

Only a dumbass sodomite would read it otherwise.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Aka the correct interpretation.

Only a dumbass sodomite would read it otherwise.

I predict that you will soon cross swords with not only Nephthys, but an enigmatic, newly-registered member over this very issue. Expect the poster in question to be caustic and diametrically opposed to the idea that Vitiate is anything but omnipotent.

Maybe we'll get lucky and SW_LeGeND will come back to back his boy Vitiate.