Originally posted by carver9
@comicfan...Your question would have meaning if Black Adam defeated the team you are asking me about. He didn't though...he just held his own.
Then answer the elementary level question. I was even good enough not to include Flash on the team.
So either answer the question or concede that Hulk and Thor loose.
Originally posted by Philosophía
This is a bad showing for Thanos.The team was impressive only in numbers - in actual quality, very few actually matter when facing Thanos.
Darkseid performed considerably better and last, but not least..
..if we take Brevoort's word on things he edits, Marvel Universe: The End is not canon. Hope the Thanos fanboys can abide by that from here on out.
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Hahaha, I was wondering when someone was going to bring that up. I just didn't have the heart.
Also, I was waiting for more Thanos fans to commit to Breevort's word. It would have been fun to watch a few backpedal and struggle with the conflicting interests.
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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You agree overall Thanos has shown to be more durable than DS. You agree with that.. yet go.. we'll use exceptions as the rule and not exceptions to the rule. I already said.. there are some situations.. things that might effect Thanos more... yet those are EXCEPTIONS. We have nothing to compare between the two here.. not only do we have who have never attacked DS... but haven't attacked him in the same way. There is nothing to logically and conclusively compare. So then what we ARE left with is precentages and odds and logic. We don't go.. we'll just go with the exception here instead of going with WHAT IS MOST LIKELY. Thanos has greater durability than DS .. PERIOD. When i doubt why on God's green earth would you go with the choice that is the least logical is beyond me.
Overall, not counting the entire -true form- aspect of New Gods and such, yes, Thanos is more durable than Darkseid on average.
What do you mean you can't compare the two? Darkseid has fought top tiers and below more than once, we have a way to measure how he'd take such an assault. And the answer is that he'd get right back up and brush his shoulders off a majority of the time. If he gets knocked down.
Bro, no one is saying that just because Darkseid would tank this attack a lot better than Thanos a majority of the time, that suddenly Darkseid is and has always been more durable than Thanos.
Stop being so insecure. Christ, what is it with you Thanos fans? It's in my best interest -as a Thor fan- to make Thanos look good, and I like him better than I do Darkseid but there's no denying the evidence.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I thought my post was pretty clear... BTW.. I have missed you around here.. but understood your busy with school and Thor was been sold out in comic after comic.. Just playing bud.Now... The Avengers have as a team.. through WHATEVER means necessary have beaten people more powerful than Thanos.. True or not?
The FF as a team has beaten people more powerful than Thanos true or no?
The GOTG.. have beaten people more powerful than Thanos..True or no?
So the point is... why is it so surprising and bad that these 3 teams would beat Thanos? Why is that? Because that has the benchmark set so high? I guess, but still, it's not the big deal peope are making it out ot be is my point. The heroes were always going to win.. and btw.. they did need a plot device to beat Thanos.. again some random artifact the collector had lying around... lol
Thanks, forgot how entertaining this stuff could be.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
None of this means anything though, as a lot of their wins revolve around specific circumstances. Not to mention beating someone above Thanos is a far cry from each and everyone of the heroes there beating Galactus level opponents and greater. Just admit it, that was a poorly thought of statement to make, but I understand as you were emotionally upset.
It's not surprising that this team beat Thanos, frankly, it was obvious that he was going to lose big time sooner or later in this arc. What was surprising -to me at least- was the way they absolutely bullied him like he owed Luke Cage money. He didn't even mount any sort of defense or counter attack once they started and the look of horror as he saw Groot (Followed by the aerial beatdown) is just funny.
Yes, they needed a plot device to beat Thanos' plot device. Hurray?
For the record, it was a plot device that Thanos had no idea was a fake Cosmic Cube and was unable to master etc. The worst part to me about all this was how dumb Thanos came off as, he was no more intelligent than Count Nefaria here or some other villain of the week. It's a shame.
Originally posted by vince_slice
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=13890&pg=1^ Jake Thomas was the assistant editor, Brevoort was the main editor.
Again, we have a lot of heroes (26), if they all attacked Thanos while he was down and surprised, its not too far fetched they'd bloody his nose and loosen a tooth.
Its still a bad showing though, but comics are filled with low showings. Thanos had a decent track record though, but even he's not immune to low showings. But a single low showing shouldn't change people's stance on a character completely. Do I think Thor's durability is crap after he got KO'd by laser pistols? No that's stupid, he's tanked things far more powerful. Do I think a street leveler with skill on par with BP can beat Surfer h2h? No, he's held his own against class 100's physically in his past.
Like I mentioned before, on-panel evidence also heavily implied other heroes attacking Thanos off-panel (e.g., arrows + burning/smoke implies people shot/blasted Thanos). Now its confirmed by the editor who worked on the book.
Let's be honest, if Bendis was writing Darkseid (or even beings more powerful) against this team, I could easily see Darkseid ending up like Thanos more or less imo.
This is what I'm talking about. All this off panel speculation leaves too much room for fanboy apologetic bullshit and speculation.
They all attacked him at the same time while he was down? Based on what? Best case scenario, that other fodder got a hit in off panel.
Holy moley, Thanos fans are insecure. No one is arguing (At least I'm not) that Thanos' durability is shit now, or that he's a joke or something. But this is a horrible showing, at least compared to what people believe he's capable of, and it is likely that his showings are only going to get worse without Starlin around to retcon everything bad away.
Maybe, probably. But Bendis isn't writing Darkseid, he's writing Thanos and you guys need to deal with it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is what I'm talking about. All this off panel speculation leaves too much room for fanboy apologetic bullshit and speculation.They all attacked him at the same time while he was down? Based on what? Best case scenario, that other fodder got a hit in off panel.
Holy moley, Thanos fans are insecure. No one is arguing (At least I'm not) that Thanos' durability is shit now, or that he's a joke or something. But this is a horrible showing, at least compared to what people believe he's capable of, and it is likely that his showings are only going to get worse without Starlin around to retcon everything bad away.
Maybe, probably. But Bendis isn't writing Darkseid, he's writing Thanos and you guys need to deal with it.
If you want to you want to believe that only 5 to 6 heroes actually attacked Thanos (once each, according to you), and the rest of the 18 to 21 heroes present just stood by and watched, be my guest. But it goes against the on-panel evidence I just mentioned, it goes against what the editor of the book says, and goes against plain old common sense. I guess the other dozens of heroes just stood by texting or something.
So if I claim that one low showing doesn't negate a character's history of feats means I'm a fanboy and insecure? Even after I accept that it was a bad showing, and think all characters will have low showings? Your thinking makes no sense.
Originally posted by carver9
MM doesn't have the fts to suggest he packs more of a punch than Hulk or Thor. Wonder Woman doesn't hit as hard as the two either. Powergirl doesn't and Captain Marvel doesn't either "going by fts". Hulk before facing Thanos 3 punched a guy that was pretty much walking around with Herald level power. Thor, pretty much one of marvels hardest hitters. The people you named are strong but their fts doesn't hold up to Thor and Hulks punching power.
I'm going to remember what you just said for future reference.
So what if Thanos got attacked by multiple heroes? Would it matter if he got attacked by 10,000 regular people? No. Because his durability is beyond them being able to affect him (unless it's the NYPD of course /snicker). He was greatly effected by blows from people who wouldn't be able to touch Darkseid.
Originally posted by Odekahn
So what if Thanos got attacked by multiple heroes? Would it matter if he got attacked by 10,000 regular people? No. Because his durability is beyond them being able to affect him (unless it's the NYPD of course /snicker). He was greatly effected by blows from people who wouldn't be able to touch Darkseid.
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Originally posted by vince_slice
Its not off panel speculation when we have on-panel evidence supporting it. We have arrows and fire/smoke on Thanos after the attacks ended, yet no panel art of arrows hitting Thanos or blasts shooting him. This obviously implies other heroes attacked him off-panel, and its confirmed by the editor.If you want to you want to believe that only 5 to 6 heroes actually attacked Thanos (once each, according to you), and the rest of the 18 to 21 heroes present just stood by and watched, be my guest. But it goes against the on-panel evidence I just mentioned, it goes against what the editor of the book says, and goes against plain old common sense. I guess the other dozens of heroes just stood by texting or something.
So if I claim that one low showing doesn't negate a character's history of feats means I'm a fanboy and insecure? Even after I accept that it was a bad showing, and think all characters will have low showings? Your thinking makes no sense.
Either there's some miscommunication going on or you're replying to the wrong guy with this post.
I said that the best case scenario based on Breevort's opinion (If we accept it as anything more than another interpretation), that each hero struck Thanos once. Basically that page that shows all of them getting a lick in? Imagine Spider-Man, Giant Man and whatever other fodder that was around getting a hit in.
Anything going further than that is speculative fanboy nonsense.
What the heck are you talking about? When did I argue that this somehow negated all of Thanos' other feats? As a matter of fact, I explicitly said otherwise in this thread, however, there's no denying that this was a shitty showing and worse ones are a very real possibility in the future. It is a long time coming, if it wasn't for Starlin, I doubt Thanos would be better off than Darkseid by now.
For the record, that yellow smoke/dust/steam whatever coming off of Thanos proves nothing. Character's have had the exact same effect when being knocked into a building etc. under Bagley, as a matter of fact, a similar effect is present when Groot knocks Thanos into the ground.