Darkseid vs. Avengers/F4/GoTG

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You admitted EXACTLY what I said as true. Thanos THE MAJORITY OF TIME THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY has had a higher durability. So then, not that this premise is set. We can then say the majority of time something hurts Thanos.. we best believe it will hurt DS. Simply basic logic. That doesn't mean there are exceptions to that rule. Maybe DS might be better at taking a specific attack.. maybe ds has a particularly good showing of durability. Cool. However, we go by logic and fadts... The majority of time Thanos has had higher durability, and thus, if it hurts Thanos more than likely it will hurt DS and probably more. So then, explain your logic of... I see DS withstanding that considering the above?

This basic logic is extremely flawed, you can't just generalize shit like that. Every time Thanos gets hit by an attack, and we would like to know how Darkseid would do, we have to compare that attack to Darkseid's own track record.

You can't just declare something and assume everyone will go along with it despite the contradictory evidence. Darkseid would tank the shit that hit Thanos on panel, and he'd handle it even better a large majority of the time, if not every time.

It doesn't matter if Thanos is ten times more durable than Darkseid 99.9% of the time. Every time we want to compare how Darkseid handles an attack that Thanos does, we have to analyze Darkseid's track record and how he handles similar punishment. We don't just automatically assume that Darkseid handles it worse.

What the f*ck kind of sense would that make? Especially in a world of comics where showings fluctuate so much.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Tom B. said they were ALL attacking him.. not just the people we saw.. that includes blasts and punches... Not sure how people believe DS would just tank that.

1. Tom Breevort's opinion is absolutely nothing of consequence. His interpretation of events has no more value than yours as he didn't contribute to that comic in anyway as I understand it. As such, it's inadmissible as evidence on this forum. Ask a mod.

2. 😂

That's not exactly what he said:
In the last issue of Avengers Assemble, there were a lot of heroes attacking Thanos. How many heroes actually attacked Thanos? Was it only the handful shown on panel (e.g., hulk, rulk, cage, thing, etc) or were there more attacking him implied off-panel?

I don't expect that the other guys just stood around doing nothing.

Based on the question, the answer suggests that every character (Even those we don't see on panel) got a piece of Thanos.

So best case scenario, it wasn't just Vision who punched his teeth in, but Luke Cage and a bunch of other nobodies like Giant Man got a chance to kick Thanos when he was down too. I don't see how you think that's any less demeaning.

We already saw by far the most powerful of the group get a hit in.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did Reed not push back the LT if something just lying around in his closet?

Did sue not bust a whiole thorugh Exitar?

Then if I move onto teams like FF.. Avengers.. GOTG.. They overcome WHATEVER obstactle each comic they are in do they not? So why is it so surprising Thanos.. by himself would lose to 3 teams that normally always win? I know, because it's thanos.. we would all not be surprised if Thor lost to some individually or just one team.. but three teams.. totally expected. I guess Thanos is that far beyond Thor that people look at this as some great surpirse or miracle. I guess that speaks volumes to Thanos' power over the years.

You're not even making any sense here. Someone get this guy a time out, he's cracking.

Reed and Sue Storm using technology and weakness exploitation applies here how? Did they show up here with some Thanos kryptonite? Thanos got his ass handed to him straight up, none of them have ever done that to Abstracts. It's not even remotely applicable to this scene.

Not to mention that you said each and every one of those heroes has beaten beings like Galactus and beyond. I don't understand how you think that's even anywhere close to true.

And for the record, the only two examples that you gave me as irrelevant as they are (Reed Richards and Sue Storm) weren't even present for the beat down. I mean what the hell?

😂

Yea, keep bringing up Thor if it eases the pain or whatever as that type of deflection won't work.

This is getting out of hand. What's next, arguing that this wasn't a bad showing because villains always have to lose? Talk about apologetic bullshit.

What I can't wrap my head around is, do people really think that combined hits from characters like Spiderman, Luke Cage or Mr Fantastic are of more consequence than a blitzing SUperman (even the inexperienced version of 5 years ago) or a punch by WW?

It doesn't matter HOW MANY were hitting Thanos, but HOW POWERFUL they were.
And from the group that attacked Thanos only Thor, Hulk and maaaayyyybe Rulk are legit 100 toners.

The League has Supes, WW, GL and maaayyybe NuDCU Aquaman. Plus Flash and Cyborg.

Most of the group that attacked Thanos were fodder (with the exception of Thor-Hulk-Rulk)
Simple as that.

Rage nailed it when he said the heavy hitters were already shown hitting him once.

Rulk is fodder.

Tom Brevoort was the editor of Avengers Assemble, so he did contribute. He actually worked on the book itself, so his opinion is probably more reliable then us internet comic nerd's lol. His comment obviously implies everyone attacked Thanos. Definitely way off then what some people were spouting: that only a handful of heroes attacked Thanos once.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Tom Brevoort was the editor of Avengers Assemble, so he did contribute. He actually worked on the book itself, so his opinion is probably more reliable then us internet comic nerd's lol. His comment obviously implies everyone attacked Thanos. Definitely way off then what some people were spouting: that only a handful of heroes attacked Thanos once.

He edited the comic? I'll take your word for it then. I remember some Jake Thomas guy editing the book.

I still honestly don't understand why you -or anyone- would think Thanos looks better if Spider-Man, Giant-Man, Spider-Woman and 3 more of those dudes standing around got a punch in at some point.

Thor, Hulk, and Rulk are the only ones there who can hurt Darkseid (Less so for Rulk). 95% of the time, the others would hurt themselves hitting Darkseid. I mean that literally.

Just to be clear, my acknowledging this isn't me agreeing to any such nonsense like Thor struck Thanos with a lightning bolt, Iron Man hit him with the uni-beam etc. This isn't directed to you personally. At the end of the day, on panel evidence takes much more precedent than our interpretations.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Tom Brevoort was the editor of Avengers Assemble, so he did contribute. He actually worked on the book itself, so his opinion is probably more reliable then us internet comic nerd's lol. His comment obviously implies everyone attacked Thanos. Definitely way off then what some people were spouting: that only a handful of heroes attacked Thanos once.

Still. On panel proof>>> editor's (not even writer's) opinion.

Plus again the question is, if you take out Thor Hulk Rulk is there anyone left on that team that attacked Thanos that can cause more damage than GL or a punch from WW to the face?

Originally posted by comicfan11
Still. On panel proof>>> editor's (not even writer's) opinion.

Plus again the question is, if you take out Thor Hulk Rulk is there anyone left on that team that attacked Thanos that can cause more damage than GL or a punch from WW to the face?

Except that "on panel" evidence also heavily implies the other heroes attacked Thanos too while off-panel (e.g., arrows and burning/smoke on Thanos implies other characters shot/blasted him). Now we have confirmation by the editor who worked on the book itself that implies they all attacked him. But all of this should've been common sense, there's 26 heroes present, they're obviously not going to dedicate a panel for each hero.

But being attacked by that many heroes is of course going to hurt. I don't think it was as bad as some people make it out to be. Every character's going to have low showings. Doesn't change their history though.

Thanos had like no bad showings throughout his career(besides ridiculous shit like SG beating him and NYPD's finest owning him lol)

Mad Titan's been humbled. Will this be the beginning of a new career low? With Bendis...all possible lol

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This basic logic is extremely flawed, you can't just generalize shit like that. Every time Thanos gets hit by an attack, and we would like to know how Darkseid would do, we have to compare that attack to Darkseid's own track record.

You can't just declare something and assume everyone will go along with it despite the contradictory evidence. Darkseid would tank the shit that hit Thanos on panel, and he'd handle it even better a large majority of the time, if not every time.

It doesn't matter if Thanos is ten times more durable than Darkseid 99.9% of the time. Every time we want to compare how Darkseid handles an attack that Thanos does, we have to analyze Darkseid's track record and how he handles similar punishment. We don't just automatically assume that Darkseid handles it worse.

What the f*ck kind of sense would that make? Especially in a world of comics where showings fluctuate so much.

You agree overall Thanos has shown to be more durable than DS. You agree with that.. yet go.. we'll use exceptions as the rule and not exceptions to the rule. I already said.. there are some situations.. things that might effect Thanos more... yet those are EXCEPTIONS. We have nothing to compare between the two here.. not only do we have who have never attacked DS... but haven't attacked him in the same way. There is nothing to logically and conclusively compare. So then what we ARE left with is precentages and odds and logic. We don't go.. we'll just go with the exception here instead of going with WHAT IS MOST LIKELY. Thanos has greater durability than DS .. PERIOD. When i doubt why on God's green earth would you go with the choice that is the least logical is beyond me.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Except that "on panel" evidence also heavily implies the other heroes attacked Thanos too while off-panel (e.g., arrows and burning/smoke on Thanos implies other characters shot/blasted him). Now we have confirmation by the editor who worked on the book itself that implies they all attacked him. But all of this should've been common sense, there's 26 heroes present, they're obviously not going to dedicate a panel for each hero.

But being attacked by that many heroes is of course going to hurt. I don't think it was as bad as some people make it out to be. Every character's going to have low showings. Doesn't change their history though.

Still how do these attacks from characters like Mr Fantastic, Spiderman and Black Widow stack compared to a WW punch to the face or a pissed off GL attack?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're not even making any sense here. Someone get this guy a time out, he's cracking.

Reed and Sue Storm using technology and weakness exploitation applies here how? Did they show up here with some Thanos kryptonite? Thanos got his ass handed to him straight up, none of them have ever done that to Abstracts. It's not even remotely applicable to this scene.

Not to mention that you said each and every one of those heroes has beaten beings like Galactus and beyond. I don't understand how you think that's even anywhere close to true.

And for the record, the only two examples that you gave me as irrelevant as they are (Reed Richards and Sue Storm) weren't even present for the beat down. I mean what the hell?

😂

Yea, keep bringing up Thor if it eases the pain or whatever as that type of deflection won't work.

This is getting out of hand. What's next, arguing that this wasn't a bad showing because villains always have to lose? Talk about apologetic bullshit.

I thought my post was pretty clear... BTW.. I have missed you around here.. but understood your busy with school and Thor was been sold out in comic after comic.. Just playing bud.

Now... The Avengers have as a team.. through WHATEVER means necessary have beaten people more powerful than Thanos.. True or not?

The FF as a team has beaten people more powerful than Thanos true or no?

The GOTG.. have beaten people more powerful than Thanos..True or no?

So the point is... why is it so surprising and bad that these 3 teams would beat Thanos? Why is that? Because that has the benchmark set so high? I guess, but still, it's not the big deal peope are making it out ot be is my point. The heroes were always going to win.. and btw.. they did need a plot device to beat Thanos.. again some random artifact the collector had lying around... lol

Originally posted by comicfan11
Still how do these attacks from characters like Mr Fantastic, Spiderman and Black Widow stack compared to a WW punch to the face or a pissed off GL attack?

You do realize that each of these teams... GOTG.. Avengers and FF have beaten people more powerful than thanos on their own right? So why is it so suprising these three teams combined would be Thanos.. I mean honestly. I know Thanos is a bad ass.. and he didn't look as good as he could.. but did really anybody think bendis was going to write this comic and different and considering who they have beaten.. It was expected by all.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You do realize that each of these teams... GOTG.. Avengers and FF have beaten people more powerful than thanos on their own right? So why is it so suprising these three teams combined would be Thanos.. I mean honestly. I know Thanos is a bad ass.. and he didn't look as good as he could.. but did really anybody think bendis was going to write this comic and different and considering who they have beaten.. It was expected by all.

I see you don't answer a very simple question.

Are you new to comics and heroes winning individually and even more so with a team? Certainly this can't be a new concept for you if you need a lot of comics. It's not about who attacked it's the whole concept of a team overcoming whatever they need to.. always. It's not about individual powersets and who's attacks hurt the most by themselves.. when there is a team like this.. you honestly believe they would fail when they have consistently beaten more powerful people.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He edited the comic? I'll take your word for it then. I remember some Jake Thomas guy editing the book.

I still honestly don't understand why you -or anyone- would think Thanos looks better if Spider-Man, Giant-Man, Spider-Woman and 3 more of those dudes standing around got a punch in at some point.

Thor, Hulk, and Rulk are the only ones there who can hurt Darkseid (Less so for Rulk). 95% of the time, the others would hurt themselves hitting Darkseid. I mean that literally.

Just to be clear, my acknowledging this isn't me agreeing to any such nonsense like Thor struck Thanos with a lightning bolt, Iron Man hit him with the uni-beam etc. This isn't directed to you personally. At the end of the day, on panel evidence takes much more precedent than our interpretations.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=13890&pg=1

^ Jake Thomas was the assistant editor, Brevoort was the main editor.

Again, we have a lot of heroes (26), if they all attacked Thanos while he was down and surprised, its not too far fetched they'd bloody his nose and loosen a tooth.

Its still a bad showing though, but comics are filled with low showings. Thanos had a decent track record though, but even he's not immune to low showings. But a single low showing shouldn't change people's stance on a character completely. Do I think Thor's durability is crap after he got KO'd by laser pistols? No that's stupid, he's tanked things far more powerful. Do I think a street leveler with skill on par with BP can beat Surfer h2h? No, he's held his own against class 100's physically in his past.

Like I mentioned before, on-panel evidence also heavily implied other heroes attacking Thanos off-panel (e.g., arrows + burning/smoke implies people shot/blasted Thanos). Now its confirmed by the editor who worked on the book.

Let's be honest, if Bendis was writing Darkseid (or even beings more powerful) against this team, I could easily see Darkseid ending up like Thanos more or less imo.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you new to comics and heroes winning individually and even more so with a team? Certainly this can't be a new concept for you if you need a lot of comics. It's not about who attacked it's the whole concept of a team overcoming whatever they need to.. always. It's not about individual powersets and who's attacks hurt the most by themselves.. when there is a team like this.. you honestly believe they would fail when they have consistently beaten more powerful people.

Hah that's adorable...
So cute.

Still you don't answer a very simple question.

Originally posted by vince_slice
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=13890&pg=1

^ Jake Thomas was the assistant editor, Brevoort was the main editor.

Again, we have a lot of heroes (26), if they all attacked Thanos while he was down and surprised, its not too far fetched they'd bloody his nose and loosen a tooth.

Its still a bad showing though, but comics are filled with low showings. Thanos had a decent track record though, but even he's not immune to low showings. But a single low showing shouldn't change people's stance on a character completely. Do I think Thor's durability is crap after he got KO'd by laser pistols? No that's stupid, he's tanked things far more powerful. Do I think a street leveler with skill on par with BP can beat Surfer h2h? No, he's held his own against class 100's physically in his past.

Like I mentioned before, on-panel evidence also heavily implied other heroes attacking Thanos off-panel (e.g., arrows + burning/smoke implies people shot/blasted Thanos). Now its confirmed by the editor who worked on the book.

Let's be honest, if Bendis was writing Darkseid (or even beings more powerful) against this team, I could easily see Darkseid ending up like Thanos more or less imo.

Cmon dude.

Just indulge me.
It's a very simple question.

How do these attacks from characters like Mr Fantastic, Spiderman and Black Widow stack compared to a WW punch to the face or a pissed off GL attack?

And Darkseid was not on that comic.
Thanos was.
Speculating what Bendis would do if he wrote Darkseid is irrelevant.
We don't like Loeb but what he writes is canon.
End of story.

This is a bad showing for Thanos.

The team was impressive only in numbers - in actual quality, very few actually matter when facing Thanos.

Darkseid performed considerably better and last, but not least..

..if we take Brevoort's word on things he edits, Marvel Universe: The End is not canon. Hope the Thanos fanboys can abide by that from here on out.

🙂