^ Those are words of wisdom actually.
But I honestly don't see any more open mindedness from the other side. Nor did I find their arguments very compelling. But that's just me.
Originally posted by Blakemore
"I know I'm wrong, but you hurt my feels. There is no evidence of God, but we should believe it anyway... Specifically the one I believe." - Darth Thor dur
Did I say You SHOULD Believe in GOD? The fact that you feel the need to distort my arguments suggest either you're not paying attention to them, or you don't actually have good responses to them.
Originally posted by Blakemore
There's no evidence a conscience being created us. There just isn't any.
The fact that we are here is potential Evidence.
Again, we are essentially a species of biological robots run by free thinking supercomputers.
Theres no good explanation for how that came about. God is as good of an explanation as any, especially when we also ask where the Universe came from.
Originally posted by Blakemore
So you believe a conscience being created our conscience? Well, okay. So do those who believe it was aliens. So do scientologists. There's nothing to conclude even if it were the case.I believe humans are apes who learned how to talk, now here we are.
Thats not the same as believing aliens made us because (though plausible) that still wouldnt explain where the Universe came from and how the aliens came to be.
As for us coming from Apes: 1)Where did the Apes come from? 2)How was life first created? 3)Where did life get survival Programming from? 4)How plausible is it that natural selection, without a design program guiding it, resulted in us having visual and audio monitors, and run by super computers ?
GOD would explain all of the above.
1. Apes were around, we have fossils to back that up.
2. From stars expanding. Also verifiable.
3. Survival programming? You mean instinct, right? We're pieces of matter trying to regain matter. That's survival.
4. It's already in the wiring of survival. There doesn't need to be a voice to guide your ****ing molecules.
You're sounding like a total dipshit. "Life exists because of my god, now buy my book." - Darth Thor
Originally posted by Blakemore
1. Apes were around, we have fossils to back that up.
Where did they come from?
Originally posted by Blakemore
2. From stars expanding. Also verifiable.
Stars are part of the Universe. Where did they come from?
FYI Stars expanding and creating the rest of the Universe comes back to probabilities. Like throwing paint on the wall and expecting Mona Lisa to come out.
Originally posted by Blakemore
3. Survival programming? You mean instinct, right? We're pieces of matter trying to regain matter. That's survival.
No it's programming, and it's what Natural Selection is based on.
Why are we trying to regain matter if we're just here randomly?
Originally posted by Blakemore
4. It's already in the wiring of survival. There doesn't need to be a voice to guide your ****ing molecules.
Funny you say wiring. Because wires usually have to be put together to make wiring.
You've also completely ignored my point about the end result of a species of free thinking robots run by supercomputers and how plausible that result is through natural selection.
Originally posted by Blakemore
You're sounding like a total dipshit. "Life exists because of my god, now buy my book." - Darth Thor
Oh I'm sorry, I shouldn't be allowed to make arguments, and just be a brainwashed Atheist right? That would make me less of a dipshit I'm guessing?
I also never said "My" God nor did I at any point even reference "My" Book. So if you're right and so logical and so objective and so not brainwashed, then why make false accusations?
Hmmm It's almost as if you two are struggling responding to my points.
Originally posted by Blakemore
Apes came from other animals.
And that honestly sounds completely reasonable to you?
Single celled organisms became Fish became mammals became Apes became humans?
Completely logical without any design or direction needed? You are essentially saying robots powered by supercomputers have come to being from a bunch of wires and chips all on their own.
Do you have any idea how complex even a single cell is? Let alone organs like the eyes or ears or our brains and thought functions? I suggest you look into it.
Btw why did Apes stop evolving into us?
Originally posted by Blakemore
We don't know where stars came from,
So this is your real answer to everything. You don't know. Yet somehow you know it's not God? Weird.
Originally posted by Blakemore
You think we're programmed. Like there is a programmer behind our thoughts? 😆 Okay, bud. What does this programmer want me to do?
What else is the survival "instinct"? It would have to be a strong desire/program for Natural Selection to even begin, let alone to reach an end goal of a species of free thinking biological robots powered by supercomputers.
What does the programmer want you to do? It seems to be a survival programming. You seem pretty eager for me to bring Religion into this, but all we are discussing here is the concept of God, which you two seem convinced doesn't exist, based on the logic that Burden of Proof is on me, without which God 100% doesn't exist. Weird logic.
Originally posted by Darth ThorWe're talking about biological evolution. These things reproduce over millions of years. There wasn't a person that created them. They just happened. The complexity you're talking about is why it couldn't have been done by a human, yet you want to invent another person, call it god, say god is better than all humans and we should buy his book.
And that honestly sounds completely reasonable to you?Single celled organisms became Fish became mammals became Apes became humans?
Completely logical without any design or direction needed? You are essentially saying robots powered by supercomputers have come to being from a bunch of wires and chips all on their own.
Do you have any idea how complex even a single cell is? Let alone organs like the eyes or ears or our brains and thought functions? I suggest you look into it.
Btw why did Apes stop evolving into us?
There was no logic to reproduction. There was no design. It just happened!
Originally posted by Darth ThorThere is no evidence for God. So I'll stick with no god for now.
So this is your real answer to everything. You don't know. Yet somehow you know it's not God? Weird.
Originally posted by Darth ThorWe eat, ****, shit and sleep. 😂
What else is the survival "instinct"? It would have to be a strong desire/program for Natural Selection to even begin, let alone to reach an end goal of a species of free thinking biological robots powered by supercomputers.What does the programmer want you to do? It seems to be a survival programming. You seem pretty eager for me to bring Religion into this, but all we are discussing here is the concept of God, which you two seem convinced doesn't exist, based on the logic that Burden of Proof is on me, without which God 100% doesn't exist. Weird logic.
Originally posted by Blakemore
We're talking about biological evolution. These things reproduce over millions of years. There wasn't a person that created them. They just happened. The complexity you're talking about is why it couldn't have been done by a human, yet you want to invent another person, call it god, say god is better than all humans and we should buy his book. There was no logic to reproduction. There was no design. It just happened!
I know it's hundreds of millions of years.
Tell me if you saw a planet full of mechanical robots would you also assume that "just happened" over millions of years?
I find it odd how you can just ignore the complexity of a single cell, let alone a human being, and just chalk it all down to chance.
And yes it is chance when you claim "it just happened"
Even the Universe you chalk down to chance. Stars exploding creating everything in perfect order (here at least) for life to be created and evolve. Like I said would you believe Mona Lisa was made by someone throwing paint on the wall?
Again back to "buying my book". No one here is saying that. You seem desperate to turn the argument away from the existence of God and focus on Religion instead.
Originally posted by Blakemore
There is no evidence for God. So I'll stick with no god for now.
Except the fact that we're here.
It's the simplest explanation. But atheists are too clever to consider the simplest explanation being a possibility.
Originally posted by Blakemore
We eat, ****, shit and sleep. 😂
More importantly your desire to reproduce. You still can't explain where that programming came from and why. If we're just here by strange luck, then why would it matter?
I'm an atheist, but, no one really knows.
A very interesting article. I respect others right to believe what the believe.
Originally posted by Blakemore
We're not robots. We're not programmed. We're just a byproduct of stars expanding. No creator, or at the very least, not one that can exist in our realm of reality. 🙂
Agree to disagree. Thanks for at least debating it with me. I do like hearing the opposite viewpoint 🙂
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'm an atheist, but, no one really knows.A very interesting article. I respect others right to believe what the believe.
👆 👆 to both your comment and the article !
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Tell me if you saw a planet full of mechanical robots would you also assume that "just happened" over millions of years?I find it odd how you can just ignore the complexity of a single cell, let alone a human being, and just chalk it all down to chance.
And yes it is chance when you claim "it just happened"
Even the Universe you chalk down to chance. Stars exploding creating everything in perfect order (here at least) for life to be created and evolve. Like I said would you believe Mona Lisa was made by someone throwing paint on the wall?
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You keep repeating the same strawmen and false analogies and you refuse to understand how we evolved without any divine intervention. Scientists figured it out: it's evolution by natural selection. It's a natural process devoid of any superbeing. Even if it SEEMS impossible or unlikely to you, that is simply an appeal to incredulity (a logical fallacy) and is not evidence of anything other than your ignorance. It is nonetheless the explanation for the diversity of life on earth.
You don't have to be an atheist to recognize evolution by natural selection.
But you do have to give at least half a shit about what's true about reality.
Because if God/Allah DID "design" this existence it's in fact a really terrible and cruel design giving kids cancer and making earthquakes and other terrible natural disasters, awful genetic disorders, etc. God people always seem to miss the big flaws in the design. An evolutionary perspective perfectly accounts for these things, whereas an omniscient and omnipotent creator does not...
Speaking of which, I'm not sure about Islam (and I'm actually curious about it), but Christianity has a convenient explanation for it, in case the flock asks questions. "The fall" of man is to blame. Everything was perfect before.