Hajj..... in Mecca

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Fear not little ones, I am here to restore civility and concord to this debate.

Haha.. that's what's funny. It never got uncivil. I ripped his argument to pieces so he cried, "You're throwing insults therefore I win.." 😂

So it's been nothing but deflections ever since. The KMC reincarnation of Methneo. dur

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I think DT here has earned his spot replacing good 'ol Methneo. dur

Tell me, DT. How do you feel about Kent Hovind? 😂 dur

Really putting me on Ethneo level. Knowing very well I debate with logic and am consistent in my reasoning when he was anything but.

Cool story bro. Whatever makes you feel better about spanked today.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Haha.. that's what's funny. It never got uncivil. I ripped his argument to pieces so he cried, "You're throwing insults therefore I win.." 😂

So it's been nothing but deflections ever since. The KMC reincarnation of Methneo. dur

I didnt cry at all. Lmao

Actually you did the Ethneo here throwing a tantrum then refusing to debate.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well its the first time you asked that question.

That Being is the source of the Universe. Exists outside time and space, in fact created Time and Space, so was never in need of being created.

So it in fact does explain a lot.

Well, that is logical... It's also admitting it doesn't exist so why bother?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Really putting me on Ethneo level. Knowing very well I debate with logic and am consistent in my reasoning when he was anything but.

Cool story bro. Whatever makes you feel better about spanked today.

dur

😂 If you think you've got good logic and reasoning then I fear you're even more like Methneo than I first thought...

False analogies, deflections, and playing victim are not good reasoning. I really shouldn't have to point that out.

DT's argument is all of reality was created by something that isn't real.

Sound logic. 👆

Originally posted by Blakemore
Something that exists outside of reality created reality based upon it not being real?

Well, that is logical... It's also admitting it doesn't exist so why bother?

Created OUR Reality.

So Exists without OUR Reality.

Put it this way, do you accept Time has always been there? Or did it need an origin and need a starting point ?

Originally posted by Blakemore
DT's argument is all of reality was created by something that isn't real.

Sound logic. 👆

I never said that at all.

Originally posted by Blakemore
DT's argument is all of reality was created by something that isn't real.

Sound logic. 👆

Right. Gotta love the "God exists outside of space and time" defense.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Created OUR Reality.

So Exists without OUR Reality.

Put it this way, do you accept Time has always been there? Or did it need an origin and need a starting point ?

I never said that at all.

There is nothing to determine where we came from. That's why the James Webb telescope was invented to find out more information.

We don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to make up some supernatural bullshit to manipulate others like Hovind did.

Well, it might be a good way to make a bit of money before the taxman starts asking questions...

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
dur

😂 If you think you've got good logic and reasoning then I fear you're even more like Methneo than I first thought...

False analogies, deflections, and playing victim are not good reasoning. I really shouldn't have to point that out.

No Youre claiming ive made false analogies, deflections and played victim without proving any of those things.

Look fact is you completely unnecessarily threw a fit (after only a couple of paragraphs of debating) and then refused to carry on.

That doesnt strike me as person with even a slightly open mind on the topic or someone secure in their argument.

Ass guard, you're a cool guy, but you've even admitted your god exists outside of reality.

I prefer to understand the real world, not on dreams.

Originally posted by Blakemore
There is nothing to determine whether time had an origin or not.

There is nothing to determine where we came from. That's why the James Webb telescope was invented to find out more information.

We don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to make up some supernatural bullshit to manipulate others like Hovind did.

Well, it might be a good way to make a bit of money before the taxman starts asking questions...

So on one hand youve conceded we dont know, that we cant possibly know at present but on the other hand decided it definitely isnt from GOD. Again not very open minded and a bit of a contradiction.

The point of asking about Time is to grasp the concept that there could be something that was always there.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Ass guard, you're a cool guy, but you've even admitted your god exists outside of reality.

I prefer to understand the real world, not on dreams.

Outside OUR Reality. Obviously if he Created our Reality, then he must have existed before it, ergo outside of it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So on one hand youve conceded we dont know, that we cant possibly know at present but on the other hand decided it definitely isnt from GOD. Again not very open minded and a bit of a contradiction.

The point of asking about Time is to grasp the concept that there could be something that was always there.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Outside OUR Reality. Obviously if he Created our Reality, then he must have existed before it, ergo outside of it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No Youre claiming ive made false analogies, deflections and played victim without proving any of those things.

Sure, I'll repost to refresh your memory...

False analogy. The Watchmaker Analogy. Look it up...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That sounds like a very unrealistic talking point.

Would you believe my phone came about by random chance (because I claimed it was provable mathematically), or would you assume it was designed by an intellect ?

Playing victim...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Also if you are being more intelligent than me on the subject, then surely you can do so without throwing out insults.

And you're still deflecting...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Look fact is you completely unnecessarily threw a fit (after only a couple of paragraphs of debating) and then refused to carry on.

That doesnt strike me as person with even a slightly open mind on the topic or someone secure in their argument.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Sure, I'll repost to refresh your memory...

False analogy. The Watchmaker Analogy. Look it up...

I addressed your argument on it. Go back and read.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Playing victim...

And you're still deflecting...

This is all you seem to have. No actual good arguments on topic, which I was expecting tbh.

FYI I just pointed out (at the start of this debate mind you), to let your arguments OWN mine, IF you're confident in them. I wasn't expecting you to go back and forth on that request like a baby.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Which we both agree cannot be known or explained from our understanding of reality. So I don't see the point.

Again, we both agree cannot be known or explained from our understanding of reality. So I don't see the point.

We can't know UNLESS there was a Creator, and he left us some kind of foot notes- I.e. Revelation.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
We can't know UNLESS there was a Creator, and he left us some kind of foot notes- I.e. Revelation.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Wasn't the book of revelations in the Bible? I thought you were a Muslim...

Revelation is how we believe GOD has historically communicated with Humanity.

Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad (peace be upon them) all came with Revelation.

Oh, all I saw previously was this...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
They dont for now because theyre not designed to do so. But thats not out of the realm of possibility given how robotics are advancing.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
😂

So you're drawing an analogy on what *may* happen in the future?

And supposing it *does* happen, that's still an evolution of technology that didn't happen over night.

One step lead to another step and another step, etc..

It's not a spontaneous creation. 😂

I didn't see this...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No because that would be an advancement through ever increasing knowledge leading to superior design.

It wouldn't start happening through random chance.

Important discoveries can be made through random chance, but to act on them and progress with that discovery takes intelligence.

Two things:

1. Again, the analogy will only go so far. Biology does not function the same way technology does (and don't start hypertheorizing some super advanced nano technology that reproduces with pseudo-DNA, for crying out loud).

2. Evolution is actually not random. That's a big misconception that apologists like to throw around as a strawman because it sounds bad for the other side. External forces such geographical separation and selection pressures (for example) are anything but random. They are very grounded in the specific surrounding environment. Is it random when a female chooses a mate for superior coloring or patterns or strength that will help the animal avoid danger and survive? That's the opposite of "random chance." That's choosing very specifically.

Put down your Koran, pick up a science book on evolution and come back.

Otherwise this is a waste of time.