Wolverine vs T-1000

Originally posted by Lestov16
Wolverine can win here? How?

KO Like Robtard said. Forcing it to take a nice big regen (becoming inactive while it does so.) Slashing it into pieces. Admantium beats mimetic polyalloy. Each slash would cut the t1000 into four pasrt cause of the 3 blades per wrist. (8 per twin fisted attack, of which there would be plenty.) That kind of fight lasts like 3 seconds.

Wolverine doesn't have an arm cannon which shoots substances as hot as molten steel or as cold as liquid nitrogen or explosive blasts equal to that of a fuel tanker, so he has no way of hurting the T-1000.

T1000 cannot kill Wolverine thanks to infinite regen and indestructible skeleton. Those claws and or guns/explosives would do.

T-1000 can easily create a thin appendage to drill a hole through Wolverine's eye into his brain or through his ribcage. Wolverine's only method of attacking the T-1000 is by stabbing it with his claws, which is guaranteed to do a grand total of jack shit.

And Wolverine surviving Phoenix can always be attributed to PIS. One could always make the argument that Jean was subconsciously holding back.

As could any time Logan took an enforced nap after violence.
If you were down playing, sure....

Either T-1000 wins, or stalemate. Wolverine has no way of coming out of this the victor unless he somehow outlives the T-1000's battery lifespan.

...or morelike as stated: Wolverine shoots and blows up T1000 at range, then slices the T1000 into bits at melee range forcing regen and Wolverine wins..... You dont know that T1000 had more than a 3 day battery lifespan. You dont know what it is powered on...but the way it was malfunctioning, and petering out, failing in it's only mission and destroyed in it's 1st movie, I'd say that this thing wasnt using duracells. 😛

And T1000 is messed up by electromagnetism, acids, temperatures and concussion force, guns and grenades (gets hit all the time and is a lousy shot)... and can only handle a couple of days abuse before losing it's shit and it's ability to function properly.. Read through the thread, man.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its never displayed any qualities that would indicate strength above the T800. Just the wat that T800 flung those 16 stone orderlies and the biker gang at the beginning showed feats way above any displayed feats by the T1000.

Pro at what? lol You have nothing to back that assertion up.
Meanwhile, Wolverine's display against Pheonix alone is evidence that Wolverine would have handled it way better than T1000.

Why bother: Its just strawmannery and irrelevence but yeah the TX is superior to the T1000 for reasons that:
A) It has shape shifting/camou ability
B) But also has built in weapons: IE Flame thrower, cutting saw, plasma cannon
C) Can control mechanical objects around it
D) Displayed superior strength to the T1000 in unarmed combat against a T800 series model
But as i say, It's relevance was limited.

His regen against Phoenix is enough to go on. No matter the gas tank explosion: If he can remained conscious and regenning through that, getting through a quick petrol tank exposion will be apeice of cake. And you dont think he survived and regenned from explosions in the 5/6 wars he fought in?

Acids affect organics differently to metals. Depends on the acid.
And also: watch Aliens. Molecular acid would not fail, even if hydrochloric acid were to fail..

Nope. The actual problem is that you keep trying to put words into my mouth. She doesn't have to have theological attributes. She just has to be able to f**k people up at the molecular/atomic level...and she did. 🙂 Didnt work on Wolverine though cause of his regen was so fast that it could keep up. T1000 wouldn't.
Lady Deathstrike died therefore her HF is not equal to Wolverine's.

Well what battery does he have? Where was it, What was it?
Surely you must know if you are 100% certain Im wrong. 🙂

He was getting atomised by phoenix.
You say it had no problem, yet it often had to stop for regens too.
It matters not: It still would come back even if it was 100%.

"Yes way". You make it sound like he gets KO'd all the time. Wrong again. And he survived it being poured into him. So again, you're wrong.

As you can see, I read just fine. Perhaps you need to learn to think.

Except overpowering it. Funny how you keep ignoring that.

No he wouldn't have. All that would be left of him is a metal skeleton.

T-1000 has superior shapeshifting. The cannon is redundant and easily damaged.
Equally easily damaged.
That's a good one. I agree with this.
T-850. Though the T-1000 did overpower a T-800.

Jean was clearly holding back though. Otherwise she would have burned off all of Logan's skin instead of just parts of it. A good feat for Logan but you're overdoing it. The guy was knocked out by a bullet, the force of an explosion would **** him up for hours.

Alien acid is much stronger than a car battery's acid and Wolverine has no access to molecular acid. Even if he did the T-1000 can use it just as easily on him.

No, it didn't work on him because of the adamantium and because she was holding back.

Oh, I see. So if Wolverine had his body pumped full adamantium he would have just walked it off? How do you even write this nonsense without hating yourself is beyond me. Especially when it's made clear in Origins that you need a Wolverine level hf to survive the procedure.

It's nanotechnology so every individual nanite must be powered on it's own in some way. It's never discussed in the movie.

He wasn't atomized though. Just parts of him.
The T-1000 didn't stop, they just managed to slow it down it was never koed, except for the liquid nitrogen moment.
I'm sorry what did Wolverine survive being poured into him? I hope you're not talking about the adamantium coating his bones because that's not the same as being dunked in molten metal.

48 seconds are still seconds. So perhaps you need to learn to think.

Originally posted by Robtard
Same way the T-1000 can, via KO.

How does he knock out the T-1000? Stabbing it won't work.

smdh @thread

Originally posted by Psychotron
How does he knock out the T-1000? Stabbing it won't work.

Covered:

Originally posted by Robtard
Wolverine wins via first KO. Slice off the head and slice the torso in half/bits. Really that simple.

6 shots from a shotgun shut the T-1000 down (while it 'healed'😉 for 11 seconds in the first scene where the Terminators meet. 11 seconds is one second more than is needed for a TKO.

/Robtard wins another thread; thanks for playing kids.

Originally posted by Robtard
100% incorrect, watch the damn scene; stop boosting the T-1000 and downplaying Wolverine.

The T-1000 was effectively knocked out for those 11 seconds (even had the facial expressions of a dead man) while it 'healed' its damage. Same way Wolverine was out while he healed from being knocked in the head.

So if the T-1000 can win by knocking out Wolverine as claimed, Wolverine can win the same way.

Edit: Need to make a correction, it was 7 shots from a shotgun that KO'd the T-1000 for 11 seconds. Not 6.

Originally posted by Robtard
Covered:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=571716&pagenumber=3

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=571716&pagenumber=4

Edit: Need to make a correction, it was 7 shots from a shotgun that KO'd the T-1000 for 11 seconds. Not 6.

Facial expressions... on a machine. Right. Great argument.

More importantly it took about the same amount of shots from Sarah at the end and it was fine. Even the grenade didn't knock it out. Even in the first scene it only took it a few seconds to get up. So I guess you're hoping Wolverine can win on a technicality and then run away.

This is all assuming Wolverine can cut him which he logically can't.

It emoted at all other times it was in control. Its something that was meant to convey that the T1000 was inoperative save for regenning....hence it was a good argument...yes...
And its kind of obvious...and clearly so because JC wanted it so...

Oh it was fine? It kind of looked like it was dead to me... The shots all contributed to it's demise.

Well logically he can and logically, theres nothing that T1000 could really do to stop him anything it points at Wolverine; it'd be slashed off. Then the whole body would be shredded.

Also T1000 is the worst bullet dodger in all of time. If wolverine keeps blasting the fool, and hitting it with grenades, concussing it, blasting it apart etc etc its screwed..

Couldn't the T1000 turn to liquid and jump down wolverines throat and suffocate the guy? Or destroy his brain? I mean I dunno if the T1000 is capable of that but as far as I know wolverine needs oxygen to survive and a brain to tell his body to heal...just thought I'd ask

That wasn't shown as a tactic or capability ever of the T1000s. definitely would be something you would have thought we would have seen if that was a thing... the insides of someone's innards would probably constitute complex parts and might be beyond it's capabilities or something. Anyways..wolverine could probably stepstep and counter or avoid it, at the speed it moves at as "liquid"..

I dont ever remember it being asserted or shown in the movies that he required oxygen to regenerate. etc

To heal from wounds he wouldn't need oxygen no but if you cut off his oxygen supply then you could kill him via suffocation couldn't you? He can't heal from that and I don't think he could survive it either, like I said though it's just random guessing and plus there's no way of telling if the T1000 could do it

Well thats a presumption.. but given that he has come back from death (equally presumingly to be brain death) then all bets are likely off.

He did that in the comics not the movies (unless I missed something), what he did the comics doesn't count in the movies. In X2 he didn't die from that bullet to the head it just KO'd him, likewise with the bullet to the head in origins if you're thinking of those, I dunno if you are. The T1000 is also able to turn himself into a liquid, he did so when that police man went to the vending machine and when he jumped onto the helicopter I believe, so there is a possible chance he can jump down someones throats as a liquid but it's not show in the movies to be one of his traits so I can't use it.

Also its never really liquid except for hen it is in puddles on the floor of the foundry either. It appears to have at least a soft solid consistancy at all other times like soft ice cream or a poo like dollop thickness.

The T800 appraised it just being able to form 'things without complex parts like knives and stabbing weapons'.

Couldn't he just wait for wolverine in a tea cup or glass or something? Gotta wonder if that'd work

Yeah I remember that part, I haven't watched the movie in ages and I do remember certains parts and so on, the movie is pretty well stuck in my head

Originally posted by Psychotron
Facial expressions... on a machine. Right. Great argument.

More importantly it took about the same amount of shots from Sarah at the end and it was fine. Even the grenade didn't knock it out. Even in the first scene it only took it a few seconds to get up. So I guess you're hoping Wolverine can win on a technicality and then run away.

This is all assuming Wolverine can cut him which he logically can't.

A machine designed to mimic humans. Anyhow.

So it laid on the floor perfectly motionless for those 11 seconds why? <-- do answer this one.

Why can't Wolverine cut the T-1000 now? A shotgun was able to break off what was essentially his hand. It's a solid construct until it decides to go liquid, by most showings.

Originally posted by steverules_2
Couldn't he just wait for wolverine in a tea cup or glass or something? Gotta wonder if that'd work

Yeah I remember that part, I haven't watched the movie in ages and I do remember certains parts and so on, the movie is pretty well stuck in my head

He doesnt seem to drink tea... 😛
(Maybe he could wait for Wolverine to go to a bar though.)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9594000/Warning-over-liquid-nitrogen-drinks-after-girl-loses-stomach.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/19866191
(No such stomach loss would occur for Logan...and we all know how T1000 feels about liquid nitrogen shenanigans... 🙄 )
And he'd be even more ready for a T1000 attack.

And the T1000 could only form something of equal mass...so that'd have to be some glass...

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It emoted at all other times it was in control. Its something that was meant to convey that the T1000 was inoperative save for regenning....hence it was a good argument...yes...
And its kind of obvious...and clearly so because JC wanted it so...

Oh it was fine? It kind of looked like it was dead to me... The shots all contributed to it's demise.

Well logically he can and logically, theres nothing that T1000 could really do to stop him anything it points at Wolverine; it'd be slashed off. Then the whole body would be shredded.

Also T1000 is the worst bullet dodger in all of time. If wolverine keeps blasting the fool, and hitting it with grenades, concussing it, blasting it apart etc etc its screwed..

Nope. The T-1000 emoted mostly when it was dealing with people. That scene was exactly the same as the one in the nightclub in T1. Arnold falls down, looks dead and gets up chases the good guys. It was done for dramatic effect. Are we to believe bullets are now a threat to a T-800 because of that one scene where it was on the ground for a few seconds?

Bullets were ineffective against the T-1000 as you well know. Sarah couldn't knock down the T-1000 again at the end with her shotgun, even the grenade didn't ko him.

No, he logically can't once the T-1000 goes into it's liquid state.

No one said the T-1000 is a bullet dodger. Why are you even assuming Wolverine has a gun or grenades? All he has is a set of butter knives.

Robtard -

It doesn't bother with facial expressions once they already know it's a machine.

Dramatic effect. Just like in T1. After those scenes neither terminator was knocked down by bullets again.

And why wouldn't it go liquid? Seems to me that that's the logical thing to do against Logan.

Stop hoping Wolvie can get away with some pussy technical win based on one feat.

People claim Wolverine will start slicing off parts of the T1000 till it can't regenerate properly, despite Wolverine never having employed the tactic of slicing off body parts against his enemies that had HF. Why would people suggest he do this? Because it's the logical way for Wolverine to win.

So even if the T1000 doesn't go into semi-liquid state all the time, it's just fair to assume he'll go into semi-liquid state often while fighting Wolverine because it's the logical way to beat Logan.

Besides, the T1000 is smarter than Wolverine. At least it has shown to use tactics. All Wolverine ever did was hack and slash.

Originally posted by FrothByte
People claim Wolverine will start slicing off parts of the T1000 till it can't regenerate properly, despite Wolverine never having employed the tactic of slicing off body parts against his enemies that had HF.

Wrong: Wolverine did that against the dude that kept growing his arms back in X-3.

Originally posted by Psychotron
[B]Nope. The T-1000 emoted mostly when it was dealing with people. That scene was exactly the same as the one in the nightclub in T1. Arnold falls down, looks dead and gets up chases the good guys. It was done for dramatic effect. Are we to believe bullets are now a threat to a T-800 because of that one scene where it was on the ground for a few seconds?

Wrong. Bullets were ineffective against the T-1000 as you well know. Sarah couldn't knock down the T-1000 again at the end with her shotgun, even the grenade didn't ko him.

No, he logically can't once the T-1000 goes into it's liquid state.

No one said the T-1000 is a bullet dodger. Why are you even assuming Wolverine has a gun or grenades? All he has is a set of butter knives.

You're wrong. All evidence is on my POV's side. Arnold never played the T1000 it was capable of small ranges of emotion according to Cameron. Note the look on its face when no humans were around when it came face to face with that chrome mannequin in the mall and the look of shock and confusion expressed on it's face.... The look of horror on it's face when it lost its arm when frozen.... the eway it could empathise and relate with humans..... the way it could talk, rather than a T800 style emotionless robot voice...... theres no denying it for the non-idiot.The mirth and sadistic sardonicism with that finger waving "tut tut tut" that was going on near the end...the way it screamed in horror in the vat.
Only someone who had never seen T2 and just heard there was a robot fighting a robot in it would assume such tripe enough to sate that on a public forum. Please go watch the entirety of the movie.

You're wrong again. They were very effective against it. They would disrupt it.
The shotgun was down to range. T800 gave T1000 a shotgun in the face at closer range at the elevator and split it's head open so bad that it had to disengage and regen allowing some respite for the Connors and the T800.

Yet again, you are wrong. A its not totally liquid, due tot he fact that it doesnt just splash tot he floor...... B did you ever see The Abyss...? Witb the bit where the water tentacle got the door closed on it's neck? Yep. Wolverine can slash away just fine with maximum effect.

Wrong once more, completing a wonderful yet tragic hattrick of wrongiosity...
Because Ive seen Terminator 2, and Ive also Ive seen Wolverine Origins....and origins clearly shows Wolverine fighting in many wars with guns. He is a capable gun user. Butter knives? lol More frustrated downplay from you.... Don't cry though. Its only a debate.