Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
So after all that: By your own logic, if a character has never done something before it prevents them from doing it (In your antiWolverine bit), yet you then go on to say that just because the T1000 has never stabbed someone on the heart before that it doesnt mean it cant this time. LOL Blatant 2 sets of standards and full blown hypocrisy.Wolverine fell to the ground after freeing himself from the harness. Did he knock himself out?
Theres no guarantee that Wolverine hasnt learned from the head shot before. What if he guards his face with his blades..(standard Wolverine stuff)...the bullets likely to not get through. Its not like T1000 can shoot worth a shit anyhow.... It makes a career out of missing it's targets in T2.
OK: Heres another example in addtion to the two you already cited... Its head went flying apart when shot in the face with a shotgun.
Messed it up good and proper.
Also: It was never cut by admantium blades before. They would guarantee seperation...! And dont forget it would cut into four, because of the amount of blades on each wrist, (make that eight in a two fisted slice attack)..And he has faster hands than T-1000 is shown dealing with.Yes The T-1000 PROCURED and used guns all through a 2+hour movie and only hit one Connor - ONCE - and nonfatally with a machine gun in a wild spread. It is shit at shooting. It was peppered with shots throughout, because it's opponents could actually shoot. T-1000 is better off with camaflage/appear/stab tactics...and that aint gonna work on Wolverine who would turn T-1000 into string cheese.
LOLZ I say to thee. LOLZ.
The T1000 stabbed someone through the shoulder. How far is that from the heart? Point is, it has been shown to stab people. Wolverine doesn't slice off limbs. Do I really need to spell out these stuff to you? DOn't you have enough logic to put these things together on your own?
T1000 is able to shoot the T800 multiple times, and was unable to properly hit Connor mostly due to the T800 protecting Connor. Wolverine doesn't have a bodyguard in this match.
But even then, same can be said for Wolverine. You think he can block bullets to his face with his claws when he couldn't even block Mystique's blows? Lolz to you I say.
As for that shotgun to the head, sure it's face blew apart, did that stop it from fighting? Did it stop it from healing?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
A 'long time'. Yes...Wolverine has already lived a couple of hundred years and shows no signs of dying of old age yet. T-1000 lasted 2 days of wear and tear before showing signs of malfunctioning and snuffing it. lol
This is actually a decent point, despite being around since the late 1800's and going through 5-6 wars, being stabbed, shot, slammed. dropped, hit by trucks, burned, disintegrated and above all coming back to life after he flat-lined from having a massively invasive operation while conscious, Wolverine is still in prime condition.
The T-1000 was glitching after just two days of action.
Lasting feat goes to Logan. He's Rocky and the T-1000 is Drago.
Originally posted by Robtard
This is actually a decent point, despite being around since the late 1800's and going through 5-6 wars, being stabbed, shot, slammed. dropped, hit by trucks, burned, disintegrated and above all coming back to life after he flat-lined from having a massively invasive operation while conscious, Wolverine is still in prime condition.The T-1000 was glitching after just two days of action.
Lasting feat goes to Logan. He's Rocky and the T-1000 is Drago.
TYTY... 🙂 Aint gonna be no rematch!
Originally posted by FrothByte
The T1000 stabbed someone through the shoulder. How far is that from the heart? Point is, it has been shown to stab people. Wolverine doesn't slice off limbs. Do I really need to spell out these stuff to you? DOn't you have enough logic to put these things together on your own?T1000 is able to shoot the T800 multiple times, and was unable to properly hit Connor mostly due to the T800 protecting Connor. Wolverine doesn't have a bodyguard in this match.
But even then, same can be said for Wolverine. You think he can block bullets to his face with his claws when he couldn't even block Mystique's blows? Lolz to you I say.
As for that shotgun to the head, sure it's face blew apart, did that stop it from fighting? Did it stop it from healing?
Hey Im just going by the set out logic of "Whatever wolverine has been shown to do on screen he cant do here" that you guys seem to be championing... (I know you dont like it when the same standards are applied to T1000, due to your current hypocrite status, which we all know you can choose to disregard at any time and join us in fairness land and logicville....
Oh it was able to shoot T800 multiple times?
You mean when it turned its back on T1000 and grabbed John to protect him, you mean? LOL The incident where T1000 was like 10 ft away? With Arnies massive back as target? LOL The swat guy at the computer factory shot T800 more in a minute than T1000 hit him with bullets in the entire movie. LOL
As Robtard correctly states: Wolverine has been shot, stabbed, blown up, burned, and all things that go with being in multiple wars and survived that. T"Cant complete a single mission"1000 aint doing shit. Oh BTW Wolverine is trained in guns and can use them, BTW, according to Origins feats....thusly shooting T1000 in the head making it regen and winning.
Wolverine is his own bodyguard in this match. And thats why he wins. As he is more indestructable than the T800 and a better fighter, faster and better equipped.
Yes it did stop him from fighting right there. Other wise he'd have been in through that elevator door killing Connor and completing its mission. It had to disengage AGAIN and get it's shit together AGAIN.
Originally posted by FrothByte
As for that shotgun to the head, sure it's face blew apart, did that stop it from fighting? Did it stop it from healing?
While it did momentarily stop the T-1000 as Sadako pointed out. The same can be said about Wolverine when he suffered a far worse injury, ie death.
Not even death stopped Wolverine from healing and continuing the fight.
Indeed. And I guess T-1000 CHOSE to fall backwards into that Vat of molten steel, rather than simply regenerate after being turned into pretzel man with that grenade (Grenades that miltary serving Wolverine would have access to, by Origins feats), cause his regen is soooo good and he never gets rendered incapable, according to some.. ... 😖hifty:
Originally posted by FrothByte
The T1000 stabbed someone through the shoulder. How far is that from the heart? Point is, it has been shown to stab people. Wolverine doesn't slice off limbs. Do I really need to spell out these stuff to you? DOn't you have enough logic to put these things together on your own?T1000 is able to shoot the T800 multiple times, and was unable to properly hit Connor mostly due to the T800 protecting Connor. Wolverine doesn't have a bodyguard in this match.
But even then, same can be said for Wolverine. You think he can block bullets to his face with his claws when he couldn't even block Mystique's blows? Lolz to you I say.
As for that shotgun to the head, sure it's face blew apart, did that stop it from fighting? Did it stop it from healing?
A god you a cray cray!
Originally posted by FrothByte
1. The T-800 has never been able to over power the T1000. Every time they got into a h2h fight the T1000 dominated. The single time they got into a shoving match, the T1000 got the upper hand. What does that tell you about the T1000's strength? You still think the T1000 isn't as strong if not stronger than the T-800?Just because he doesn't have the same feats doesn't mean he can't do them. He never had to do them in T2. But via comparison, we can logically assume that since he was able to overpower the T-800, then it can do what the T800 could physically. That's logic dude.
Dude! The T800 isn't that powerful. He's a machine. And any feats in later films don't count because they come from a different timeline!
In T2 and T1 Arnie wasn't that amazing. Admit it!
He could crush bones lift chainguns and fight the T1000. And that's it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
2. When the T-800 punched the T1000 through the head, the T1000 morphed his body so that his head now became his hands. So it completely remade where it's face was in about 1-2 secs. Wolverine has no such ability and is therefore far more limited. Wolverine NEEDS his eyes to see, and his mouth to talk, and he has no such ability of moving his body parts. Wolverine is the one who is limited.
What are you talkin about! Just because Arnie punched the T1000 through the head (which kept the T1000 completely together) And he formed around Arnie's arm doesn't mean if his head was completely separated or chunks of the rest of his body that he could react the same!
If Arnie sliced the T1000 across his neck he would've gone down. Admit it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Give me ONE, SINGLE example of a time when parts of the T1000 were flying apart. It took massive explosions and not once did parts of it "fly apart". The only time that happened was due to liquid nitrogen and when it's hand got stock in the hood of a car.
Well Arnie easily sliced down the T1000. If the same thing happened with 3 claws across ways with open air at it's end points the metal would go apart!
Originally posted by FrothByte
You see, there's a big difference between the scenarios we suggest the T1000 can win in, and the scenarios you guys suggest for Wolverine to win in. The difference being that what the T1000 needs to do to win, he has been shown to do and has worked before on Wolverine. Whereas the scenarios you guys put for a Wolverine win either have never been shown to work on the T1000 or Logan simply has never done them.
Lolz.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'll show you an example:[B]Wolverine Argument
Wolverine wins by slicing off parts of the T1000 then throwing them away so it can't heal.- Has Wolverine ever been shown to cut off limbs of hard-to-beat opponents? No. Never. Unless you count that guy in X3 who kept regenerating his arms, but then Logan didn't even think of cutting off his legs.
- Has the T1000 ever been shown to have parts of it cut off? No. Never. Everytime it was shot or suffered "cuts" none of it's parts flew off and it was able to regen in time to defend itself and continue fighting. The only time this happened was due to liquid nitrogen.
Now that's how your standard Wolverine argument looks. On the other hand, this is how a t1000 argument looks:
T1000 argument
1. T1000 shoots Wolverine in the head to knock it out.- Does the T1000 use guns? Yes. Used them all the time in T2.
- Has Wolverine been knocked out by a gun before? Yes, gunshot to the head knocked him out in X1.
See the difference? Here's another example.
Wolverine Argument
Wolverine uses liquid nitrogen to freeze T1000 and then either leaves him there to freeze or shatters him.- Is the T1000 susceptible to liquid nitrogen? Yes. Proven to damage him.
- Has Wolverine ever used liquid nitrogen on his enemies before? Nope. Never. Never even used any form of chemical for warfare. Liquid nitrogen could have helped him beat any number of his opponents, but he never used it.
T1000 argument
T1000 stabs Wolverine in the heart for a knockout- Has Wolverine been knocked out via heart stab before? Yes, he stabbed himself and knocked himself out.
- Has the T1000 ever stabbed someone in the heart before? Not the heart exactly, but he has stabbed someone in the shoulder and others in the head. Not too far an assumption he can stab Wolverine in the chest near the heart.
Again, see the difference? Here's another:
Wolverine Argument
Wolverine melts T1000 by exposing him to fire- Has the T1000 ever been damaged by fire? Not fire. In fact, it was seen slowly walking through flames. You'll need a melting vat to do this.
- Has Wolverine ever tried to use fire as a weapon before? No.
on the other hand:
T1000 argument
T1000 uses a vehicle to either run over Logan or ram it into him for a knockout- Has Logan ever been knocked out by a moving vehicle? Sabertooth threw him up against one, and although it didn't knock him out, it hurt him bad enough that he was unable to stand for some time afterwards.
- Has the T1000 ever been shown to use vehicles to assist itself in trying to finish off it's targets? Yes, he has been shown to use trucks to ram into his targets and try to run them over.
Do you now see the difference? [/B]
Lame. Logan cut through a foot thick metal escape hatch in Origins. He rendered guns brittle in many films. His claws create kinetic blasts when they join together and rendered a bathroom destroyed whilst he first tried to figure them out.
They will slice through the T1000 like HOT BUTTER!
Originally posted by FrothByte
T1000 argument1. T1000 shoots Wolverine in the head to knock it out.
- Does the T1000 use guns? Yes. Used them all the time in T2.
- Has Wolverine been knocked out by a gun before? Yes, gunshot to the head knocked him out in X1.
See the difference?
Or
1. Logan shoots the T-1000 in the body to shut it down.
- Does Logan use guns? Yes. We see him using guns across a span of 100+ years/wars.
- Has the T-1000 been shut down by guns before? Yes, 6-7 shots to the body with a shotgun shut it down for 11 seconds in T2.
See? Coin has two sides.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
here is trailer for it:
YouTube videoIts actually shown in this format on TV most commonly over here..
Its the version with the Kyle Reese appearance and many other scenes re-integrated into it. (you can see said scene here:
YouTube video . )The bit you can see here with the T-1000 holding a striped hand up infront of himself then flicking it back to normal is the start of the breakdown of his control.. (It was a striped handrail he got stuck on, then came unstuck from puzzled by what had happened, he holds the hand up and thats what you see here) Then came the floor grating bits..
Will look for more, but cant seem to find it right now on youtube, at least.
Here is a rundown of some of the stuff in the special ed version:But rent it, buy it, whatever: If you've not seen this version you've not seen the movie period. 😛 Most have since its been around since the mid-nineties.... You owe it to yourself as a fan. It as good as Aliens: Special edition was.. Trust me.
can you just send me your copy?? 😄 😛
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sure. Soon as I upgrade to BluRay... 🙂 You all good with PAL format/region 2?
yeah,, i did buy T2 a long time ago, but haven't really watched it, however i thik i bought the special edition version, i have to to check later but is the sdpecial edition version the one where the cover is silver?
I've seen the Special Edition. It lessened the T1000 in its capabilities.
-Used his hands to scan the environment. Limited use of whole body.
-Became weaker as time went by as evident in his arm taking on the color of a nearby wall. And had to shake it off.
-Had a harder time holding its body together as time went by. Created ripples to hold himself together.
The T1000 has a short shelf life. After all it was a prototype.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
So The T1000 has more problems than just heat? Is that what you're inferring?I didnt see the T-1000 throwing 16 stone guys around with one arm...
Saw that with the T-800 though. Yes indeeeeeeeeeed.Well maybe not consciously. But the fight prowess he has suggests that its still in there somewhere. And if not, then thats even more bad news for the T1000 cause if hes just naturally that good then the T1000 is gonna have even harder a time keeping up.
Thats true, but incidents like the shotgun in the face and others has way longer bouts of mandatory inactivity. Like emerging from the truck. People have survived gas tanks blowing up in cars where they sit physically closer to the tank, so that that doesnt bode well for T1000, given the length of time he took to emerge, and given that it didn't reform its outside cop layer til it was well clear of said flames, it could very much suggest that even relatively low temp burns like that still caused it problems.
Well it did catch up with one. As mentioned before... probably not whilst the car is driving in 5th at full whack though. It was gaining on John's bike at one point in the mall car park. Til it managed to get on a straight.
Again. You admission that Wolverine is probably 100% safe in a car whilst mowing down T1000 is taken.Already did explain. But OK Once more: You complain when Wolverine winds by KO yet to insist that winning by the same method is fine for T1000. You say Wolverine cant do that LOL It was explained very well that he could. Youre gonna just have to agree to disagree. LOL If T1000 tries to choke Wolverine out it loses its arms. Whats it gonna do? Force choke him?!?! lololololol
Wolverine can incapacitate T1000 forever too, as explained at numerous times in this thread.
Its who gets there first. Now, Given that T1000 misses a lot and gets hit all the time, the odds are on Wolverine winning.
You argue that stabbing Wolverine will win.. lol You havent seen Xmen 1 yet have you?You're obviously desperate through some sort of predisposed bias agenda here. (Obvious I guess from your avvy) Thats why you have tried to gimp, downplay and assert your opinion as fact rather than accept what is most likely from onscreen feats.
What the hell are you talking about? The explosion barely slowed him down considering he had to reform and climb out of the wreck. Wolverine would have fared far worse.
And since the T-1000 overpowered the T-800 he's at least as strong.
Wolverine demonstrated absolutely no skills in the movies. Mystique was beating the shit out of him, Lady Deathstrike dominated him, Juggernaut wrecked him. His skills are shit.
It wasn't inactive because it was still moving. The whole truck was shredded and he was fine. And you can tell when you re-watch that scene that the T-1000 was totally unharmed by the flames.
Nope. Wolverine isn't jacking a car to fight the T-1000. That's totally OC. Even if he does that won't kill the T-1000.
Nope. Once the T-1000 gets the KO it can do whatever it wants to Wolverine. OTOH Wolverine has to keep slashing forever just to prevent the T-1000 from reforming. He'll get tired/hungry/bored sooner or later and that's when the T-1000 will finish him. This is all assuming Logan can cut him which he probably can't. I'm not basing a win just on a temporary KO. It can ****ing tie him up and drown him if it wants. It's you who hasn't seen X1. Wolverine KOs himself by stabbing himself in the heart. Something the T-1000 can easily do.
Gimp? Dude, your argument was that Wolverine will somehow shit out liquid nitrogen. Don't give me that nonsense.
Well if thats how "fast" it can regenerate in your book, then I'd hate to see him taking it's time.. Are you certain that Reforming then climbing out of the wreck was the exact order that it occurred in? Watch this clip: Cause the time from explosion to total regen was 2:42 to 3:30....just 'cause some fire (you claim could hurt it) burned up around it...
Thats 47-48 seconds. Giving and taking a second for the between secondsage..
Wolverine has faster regen, according to X3. So your statement is very unlikely to be bankable as true.
Not overpowered. Out manuvered. And its crowning moment of destruction against the T800 was acheived using that metal spear, and trapping the T800's arm in some machinery.. Not very H2H.
Im not even addressing your failure to recognise skill when you see it. Oh and he beat all of those you mentioned.
Nope sorry, but youre simply wrong: The truck was clearly visible, in no way did the whole thing shred. It just on fire. Again watch the clip...the movie clearly proves me right. It couldnt reform til well clear of the flames. So no.
Why can Wolverine not drive now? lol Are you gimping?
If Wolverine cant use a car, T1000 gets no guns.
And considering you attribute H2H victory to T1000 over T800 when it cheated using spears and machinery to clich a very temporary win, there is only a certain amount of seriousness in which we can take such assertions and assessments from you.
You might need to calm down, you sound like your anger at your wrongness and failure to wish victory into reality for T1000 out of pure fanboy love is getting to you.
I know you have a lot invested in this and it hurts, but temporary KO's are what we are debating for here as its really in your interest too, as Wolverine is indestructable and not even death kills him. Best you can hope for is a KO. It cant tie Wolverine up with no arms. Wolverine would cut through them like butter. Likewise, Wolverine could freeze T-1000 and bury it underground, like was done in Sarah Connor chronicles, or melted down or melted with Molecular or Hydrochloric acid... but thats all irrelevant, as simply peppering T1000 with gunfire and KOing it will suffice for this debate and scenario.
Yes Gimping: "Taking away basic abilities attributes from a side in order to secure an unfair win." IE Logan can't drive/cant use guns etc lol
Nope I said nothing of shitting it out. Thats you distorting/misrepresenting my argument AGAIN.
I just said its avaliable in most bars/pubs and multitudes of other sources and sites that we have seen Wolverine visit. And one things pretty much for sure: Wolverine can get to it sooner than T1000 can kill him.
Cause hes ummm you know...indestructable/virtually immortal.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
YouTube videoWell if thats how "fast" it can regenerate in your book, then I'd hate to see him taking it's time.. Are you certain that Reforming then climbing out of the wreck was the exact order that it occurred in? Watch this clip: Cause the time from explosion to total regen was 2:42 to 3:30....just 'cause some fire (you claim could hurt it) burned up around it...
Thats 47-48 seconds. Giving and taking a second for the between secondsage..
Wolverine has faster regen, according to X3. So your statement is very unlikely to be bankable as true.
Not overpowered. Out manuvered. And its crowning moment of destruction against the T800 was acheived using that metal spear, and trapping the T800's arm in some machinery.. Not very H2H.
Im not even addressing your failure to recognise skill when you see it. Oh and he beat all of those you mentioned.
Nope sorry, but youre simply wrong: The truck was clearly visible, in no way did the whole thing shred. It just on fire. Again watch the clip...the movie clearly proves me right. It couldnt reform til well clear of the flames. So no.
Why can Wolverine not drive now? lol Are you gimping?
If Wolverine cant use a car, T1000 gets no guns.
And considering you attribute H2H victory to T1000 over T800 when it cheated using spears and machinery to clich a very temporary win, there is only a certain amount of seriousness in which we can take such assertions and assessments from you.You might need to calm down, you sound like your anger at your wrongness and failure to wish victory into reality for T1000 out of pure fanboy love is getting to you.
I know you have a lot invested in this and it hurts, but temporary KO's are what we are debating for here as its really in your interest too, as Wolverine is indestructable and not even death kills him. Best you can hope for is a KO. It cant tie Wolverine up with no arms. Wolverine would cut through them like butter. Likewise, Wolverine could freeze T-1000 and bury it underground, like was done in Sarah Connor chronicles, or melted down or melted with Molecular or Hydrochloric acid... but thats all irrelevant, as simply peppering T1000 with gunfire and KOing it will suffice for this debate and scenario.
Yes Gimping: "Taking away basic abilities attributes from a side in order to secure an unfair win." IE Logan can't drive/cant use guns etc lol
Nope I said nothing of shitting it out. Thats you distorting/misrepresenting my argument AGAIN.
I just said its avaliable in most bars/pubs and multitudes of other sources and sites that we have seen Wolverine visit. And one things pretty much for sure: Wolverine can get to it sooner than T1000 can kill him.
Cause hes ummm you know...indestructable/virtually immortal.
it is the special ed.. i'll watch it tomorrow